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MADem

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30. Bottom line, though, no matter how nicely Cuba trades with others, they are broke.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:17 PM
Apr 2013

Well, surely not all of Cuba's pals are working at cross-purposes with them? The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that, but ... I dunno. I don't see the exiles as having the clout they used to have, and there are fractures in their ranks, too.

I know their sugar (as sweet as Jamaican sugar, which is wonderful stuff) would make a big dent in that protected infrastructure (though Big Sugar could jump in with a partnership offer and help to set the price/rake in some of the profits with a modernization scheme), their smart population could/would make pharmaceuticals at a cheaper price, their doctors could do a lot of "closer to home with an easier flight/nicer vacation" medical tourism...there's a lot of money to be made.

Plenty of these pols are in bed with Big Sugar....but plenty are also in bed with Big Pharma and Big Fristian Medicine...so while I see competing priorities, I don't see any one group as holding sway anymore. Who has the best deal? Who has the biggest wallet?

And these Big Companies in USA do have a "reputation" such as it is, and they can open doors and facilitate access to markets...one hand washes the other, both wash the face, as it were.

I think the issues are more--pardon the term--"fundamental" than that. It could even be, if we want to flip the argument, that the "financials" are being used as cover for continued strife, not the other way round--because a political/ideological "insult" is just so Last Century.

The right deals can make money for all the "players" and I'd wager there are plenty of people, in the corporate world and in Cuban government and the small "private(ish) sector)" in Cuba, that would be more than willing to do business for cash on the barrel and an improvement in their GDP. I think the arc is well tilted towards that attitude.

I do think it's an unforgiven political insult (hey, George W. Bush knew how to hold a grudge--why should we think he's the only one?) that is holding all this "normalization" back. I don't have any insider knowledge, but from where I sit, it doesn't make sense, otherwise, because there's plenty of money to be made no matter which way we jump...and I wonder if I'll live long enough to see change--it's crazy, that it's been over a half century.

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Life's too short dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #1
Its interesting. After hearing her in several interviews ... Mika Apr 2013 #2
Nothing would surprise me naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #6
Raul is a smooth customer. Mika Apr 2013 #9
Ah naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #11
They arrested her .... why, then? MADem Apr 2013 #12
"Arrested" (like Gorki, as in: not arrested) and had to pay a fine for using hotel WiFi illegally. Mika Apr 2013 #15
No, I am not talking about that. She was also arrested and beaten enroute to a protest, MADem Apr 2013 #18
Not true, her latest detention was in a cell. joshcryer Apr 2013 #38
She's been saying this stuff for years. joshcryer Apr 2013 #37
Who pays her? You're saying the Columbia School of Journalism has been 'duped?' MADem Apr 2013 #3
USAID dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #4
So PBS got scammed? nt MADem Apr 2013 #8
Here ... Mika Apr 2013 #5
Many questions--not many answers...and it sounds like she tailors her responses to suit her MADem Apr 2013 #7
Unless that mentor is ... Mika Apr 2013 #10
Why would the government give her shit and arrest her x2, then? MADem Apr 2013 #13
Not when one thinks like an American. Mika Apr 2013 #16
No--I am talking about the kidnapping/beating in 09 and the arrest/detention last year. MADem Apr 2013 #19
1st, we have no idea who "kidnapped" and released her. Mika Apr 2013 #20
Someone beat her up but good. If she was going to fake bruises, she would have made them more MADem Apr 2013 #21
Consider that their interests are mutual. Mika Apr 2013 #22
So, you're saying USAID conspired with Raul Castro to install this dissident blogger in MADem Apr 2013 #23
Only the logic of campaign money and maintaining power is at play. Mika Apr 2013 #24
USAID has an interest in maintaining the status quo? MADem Apr 2013 #25
The entities that you mention who would be harmed by normalization ... Mika Apr 2013 #29
Bottom line, though, no matter how nicely Cuba trades with others, they are broke. MADem Apr 2013 #30
Sorta like the Walmart model. Mika Apr 2013 #31
Well, Cuba isn't Costco, though I sort of take your point. MADem Apr 2013 #32
My point was that Walmart doesn't have an inordinate focus on the bottom line. Mika Apr 2013 #33
Well, there's "immediate" bottom line (profits above all else) and there's MADem Apr 2013 #34
That doesn't seem to apply to sociopathic owners like Walmarts. Mika Apr 2013 #35
I agree with the analysis about the sanctions. joshcryer Apr 2013 #40
The best thing to happen for Ileana Ros & the Blowhard bros is Castro. Mika Apr 2013 #41
Unfortunately for them anti-embargo is on the rise. joshcryer Apr 2013 #42
Remember the New Jersey "exile"-derived politicians have their anti-Cuba mob to draw from, also. Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #43
Hmm dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #14
Can hardly wait for Raul to unfurl that flag that Bill Nelson gave Yoani. Mika Apr 2013 #17
One suspects she may just forget that flag in her hotel room! flamingdem Apr 2013 #26
She has answered these questions. Intermediaries. joshcryer Apr 2013 #39
More conspiracy fuel for the fire Yoani lives in an apartment flamingdem Apr 2013 #27
She has a "condescending" criticism for the Cuban government. ocpagu Apr 2013 #28
I love that Beyonce and Jay Z are visiting Havana and it's the new Cuba story flamingdem Apr 2013 #36
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