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joshcryer

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19. BTW, I did not call Maduro crazy, I called Capriles crazy.

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:41 AM

Apr 2013

Why is Capriles crazy? Because it sounds like he's basing his entire position on the fraud that the opposition has overlooked all these years. Chavistas being allowed to wear campaign regalia at polling stations, chavistas using cadenas / emergency Broadcast System style chains to drown out opposition rallies and speeches, chavistas making up a butterfly ballot in 2012 where thousands of Capriles votes went to (didn't matter then, because Chavez won by so much). These things are documented. The Carter Center has them listed in its 2012 report (PDF). It is not a lie, the Carter Center agrees with me.

But Capriles never complained then so why would he complain now and why would the CNE take it seriously? They don't have to nor will they. They simply don't care about those allegations even though progressives like myself and the Carter Center observed those things happening!

I do not think Capriles won, which is why I am calling him crazy, I think though that the CNE should investigate the claims of fraud, and I think Capriles lost by a narrower margin (he may have 'won' if those polling stations votes were annulled but Venezuela has revotes, they don't annul results, and a revote ain't happening).

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Leaked phone calls: Capriles just wanted to make a scandal [View all] ocpagu Apr 2013 OP

" this is his own operation... to keep the interest of his voters" "he has to make a scandal" Catherina Apr 2013 #1

More than half a dozen dead... ocpagu Apr 2013 #3

You do realize if he goes to jail a whole lot more will die, right? joshcryer Apr 2013 #4

OK ,to big to Jail, look forward..... bahrbearian Apr 2013 #26

Nope, that poster has been posting about political violence... joshcryer Apr 2013 #47

There's nothing false about this narrative. ocpagu Apr 2013 #65

Well, maybe you'll get your wish. joshcryer Apr 2013 #66

What do you defend? ocpagu Apr 2013 #69

The votes. joshcryer Apr 2013 #77

Proabably the same thing would have happened if Bush & Cheney had been arrested Doctor_J Apr 2013 #28

Who's going to apologize to her that her grandson was shot in the head for a "scandal"? Catherina Apr 2013 #8

Who's going to apologize for the nearly 200k dead Venezuelans since 2000? joshcryer Apr 2013 #11

Wow. You've taken the low road there. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #15

Unbelievable, the 'logic' to defend the indefensible, isn't it? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #52

They have been planning this for a long time. ocpagu Apr 2013 #68

It definitely seems that way. It has the unsettling feeling of a return to the old sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #72

They've been planning for the CNE to be corrupt and to call it out? joshcryer Apr 2013 #75

Nope. ocpagu Apr 2013 #79

Sure. But Maduro made it actually viable. joshcryer Apr 2013 #95

epic fucking fail frylock Apr 2013 #67

No way to have prevented it. Ken Burch Apr 2013 #103

Hiring cops wasn't the problem. joshcryer Apr 2013 #106

Thanks for posting this Coyotl Apr 2013 #35

This video... ocpagu Apr 2013 #2

Lua confirms one thing, Capriles is crazy. joshcryer Apr 2013 #5

I'm beyond disgusted. Catherina Apr 2013 #6

Maduro is stupid as long as he doesn't count the votes. joshcryer Apr 2013 #7

Since Capriles seems to already know he has lost - what is the point of a recount? djean111 Apr 2013 #12

The opposition has dealt with "irregularities" for years. joshcryer Apr 2013 #13

BTW, I did not call Maduro crazy, I called Capriles crazy. joshcryer Apr 2013 #19

They've been exposed, now watch the twisted, pretzel logic we will hear from the right wing sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #81

An audit was already made ocpagu Apr 2013 #88

That's not the damn allegation. joshcryer Apr 2013 #93

not a single one of those fake allegations can be proven reorg Apr 2013 #101

did he come to you as a little bird? Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #9

Only reconfirming what a total jerk you are. Catherina Apr 2013 #10

+1000! Puglover Apr 2013 #17

adios mi pajarita comemierda n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #27

"Goodbye my bow tie eating grin" ? bahrbearian Apr 2013 #29

lol, whatever you say n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #31

Care to translate to English? Come on, you are not afraid, are you? idwiyo Apr 2013 #42

Shit-eating bird Coyotl Apr 2013 #43

Thank you. I wonder if the poster themselves would like to translate, instead of hiding. idwiyo Apr 2013 #48

shit eater would be the literal translation but not the meaning of the expression itself n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #51

Bullshit. But it's clear you were looking in the mirror when you said it. n/t Catherina Apr 2013 #73

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000 Coyotl Apr 2013 #36

Excellent comment, Catherina. I am happy though to see Caprilles finally exposed for what he is. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #82

Was there ever any doubt? Catherina Apr 2013 #87

How i wish I could recommend this post. hifiguy Apr 2013 #91

Heh joshcryer Apr 2013 #14

The sicko interventionists are grumpy this morning. Very sad. byeya Apr 2013 #16

Pathetic. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #18

I never asked you, but do you think fraud allegations should be looked at by CNE? joshcryer Apr 2013 #20

Does one take an Orly Taitz seriously? Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #22

Excellent analogy Doctor_J Apr 2013 #25

Capriles didn't say that. joshcryer Apr 2013 #45

Orly Taitz's objections were answered. joshcryer Apr 2013 #44

"Birther' leader Orly Taitz ordered by Supreme Court to pay $20,000 fine for 'frivolous' lawsuit" Zorra Apr 2013 #54

If the allegations are investigated and proven to have been false... joshcryer Apr 2013 #55

The fact is, most of us know that corporatists are always going to use any means possible Zorra Apr 2013 #63

Well, I consider chavismo right wing. joshcryer Apr 2013 #71

Really? Right wing? ocpagu Apr 2013 #90

Going in circles. joshcryer Apr 2013 #92

There's a lot of things I wish too Josh. No need to get personal. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #98

I thought it was unfair to compare to Orly Taitz. joshcryer Apr 2013 #99

Well, that's what happens when you ask me a question before I have coffee at 6 am. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #100

Well, the audits are being done, so my grievences end there. joshcryer Apr 2013 #107

I don't think it was ever in doubt that the vote would be audited. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #108

The level of the audit was always in question. joshcryer Apr 2013 #109

Unless I missed something (perfectly possible) Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #110

The thing about the Carter report... joshcryer Apr 2013 #111

+1 ! idwiyo Apr 2013 #50

Lol, that's a perfect analogy. Orly Taitz. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #89

I think all voter fraud allegations should handled by the USSC. bahrbearian Apr 2013 #30

With a little help from the CIA I am sure. zeemike Apr 2013 #23

We shouldn't be surprised. Capriles is basically a Ven version of the Koch brothers Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #21

Rove is advising the fascists down there Doctor_J Apr 2013 #24

That figures. limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #104

Sick freaks. I hope they're jailed for the rest of their lives. polly7 Apr 2013 #32

thanks, just further proof they are spying on Capriles Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #33

I had it on good authority that political spying was OK on these forums. joshcryer Apr 2013 #46

And Secretary of State John Kerry is on this bandwagon because ??? Coyotl Apr 2013 #34

Kerry inherited Clinton's policies flamingdem Apr 2013 #37

I should add: knows little and cares even less nt flamingdem Apr 2013 #39

He may have learned a lot from his wife, Teresa, who inherited her former husbands Heinz Ketchup. Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #96

Oh no! Another family tie situation flamingdem Apr 2013 #97

Just imagine the uproar naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #38

Okay but what do you think about the tactics used by Capriles? nt flamingdem Apr 2013 #40

I don't like them at all naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #41

I'm supportive of the count the vote tactic. joshcryer Apr 2013 #57

They are stirring the cauldron of violence, hoping it will boil over. Coyotl Apr 2013 #49

Great pic. ocpagu Apr 2013 #84

a little birdie came to Capriles and said reorg Apr 2013 #53

Yes, Capriles is exposing the stuff the Carter Center found. joshcryer Apr 2013 #56

Kicked, Recommended, Copied because I need this in my journal. Catherina Apr 2013 #58

Wonderful information, reorg. ocpagu Apr 2013 #80

Imagine if Romney supporters rioted.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #59

That is incorrect. joshcryer Apr 2013 #60

Kind of tired of the choice being presented as either Stalin or Hitler... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #61

I have never presented that. joshcryer Apr 2013 #64

Our MEDIA does that. To them it's all about the leader, not the cause.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #70

No, our media does not do that. joshcryer Apr 2013 #74

You know as well as I do most people in Central and South America don't participate... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #78

We're talking about an exposed 'fraud'. That fraud is committed by PEOPLE necessitates sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #85

They will in the FORMAL REQUEST. joshcryer Apr 2013 #94

Very interesting. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #62

Precisely n/t Catherina Apr 2013 #76

Venezuelan right wingers are openly more violent than American ones. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #83

Well, you have to wonder who is instigating the violence. There is long history of that kind of sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #86

Looks like Capriles mask fell off. pa28 Apr 2013 #102

Some right wing oligarchies just can't take a hint. limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #105

Kick for the priceless arrogance of the Henrique Capriles n/t Catherina Apr 2013 #112

Lol, what a douche. Daniel537 Apr 2013 #113