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In reply to the discussion: Leaked phone calls: Capriles just wanted to make a scandal [View all]reorg
(3,317 posts)53. a little birdie came to Capriles and said
okay, we lost again, but what we need to do now is to seize the moment and embarrass the government as much as we possibly can.

At least that's what Capriles' German advisors from the right-wing Adenauer-Stiftung (CDU) say (rough translation):
It seems rather unlikely that a manual recount will yield a substantially different result. The system had its weaknesses in the past, but there was never deception in the tallying of the vote. The overall result was always in line with what the documents in the polling stations said. The CNE was applauded for this, even by European diplomats.
The opposition has developed great expertise in controlling the election process ... 120,000 activists act as election witnesses ... there is no room for manipulation in the tallying of the votes.
With their call for a manual recount, Venezuela's opposition does not aim for a different result which would grant them victory. It is about exposing the government's lack of legitimacy.
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The opposition has developed great expertise in controlling the election process ... 120,000 activists act as election witnesses ... there is no room for manipulation in the tallying of the votes.
With their call for a manual recount, Venezuela's opposition does not aim for a different result which would grant them victory. It is about exposing the government's lack of legitimacy.
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Es erscheint jedoch eher als unwahrscheinlich, dass die manuelle Auszählung ein wesentlich anderes Ergebnis nachweisen wird. Die Schwäche des Wahlsystems bestand in der Vergangenheit nicht darin, dass beim Zusammenzählen der Stimmen getäuscht wurde. Das Gesamtergebnis stimmte regelmäßig mit dem Inhalt der Wahlakten im einzelnen Wahllokal überein. Dafür erhielt die Wahlbehörde sogar Applaus von Seiten europäischer Diplomaten.
Die Opposition sah sich über die Jahre gezwungen, eine wahre Meisterschaft in der Kontrolle des Wahlprozesses zu entwickeln, bei der von Wahlgang zu Wahlgang mehr als 120.000 demokratische Aktivisten beteiligt sind, die als Wahlzeugen fungieren und ein eigenes System der Dokumentation der Ergebnisse und der Verstöße gegen das Wahlgesetz aufgebaut haben. In einer gigantischen gemeinsamen Anstrengung der in der "Mesa de Unidad" (Tisch der Einheit) zusammengeschlossenen Oppositionsparteien werden die im Wahlgesetz vorgesehenen Kopien der Wahlakten landesweit von den Wahlzeugen eingesammelt, dezentral in der Wahlnacht gescannt und für eine parallele Auszählung auf einer Datenbank zusammengeführt. Deshalb besteht für eine Manipulation der Stimmenauszählung wenig Raum.
Mit ihrem Bestehen auf einer manuellen Auszählung zielt Venezuelas Opposition also nicht primär auf die Verkündung eines anderen Wahlergebnisses, das ihr den Sieg zuspricht. Es geht vielmehr darum, die fehlende Legitimität der Regierung bloß zu stellen.
http://www.kas.de/venezuela/de/publications/34075/
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" this is his own operation... to keep the interest of his voters" "he has to make a scandal"
Catherina
Apr 2013
#1
Proabably the same thing would have happened if Bush & Cheney had been arrested
Doctor_J
Apr 2013
#28
Who's going to apologize to her that her grandson was shot in the head for a "scandal"?
Catherina
Apr 2013
#8
It definitely seems that way. It has the unsettling feeling of a return to the old
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#72
Since Capriles seems to already know he has lost - what is the point of a recount?
djean111
Apr 2013
#12
They've been exposed, now watch the twisted, pretzel logic we will hear from the right wing
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#81
Thank you. I wonder if the poster themselves would like to translate, instead of hiding.
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#48
shit eater would be the literal translation but not the meaning of the expression itself n/t
Bacchus4.0
Apr 2013
#51
Bullshit. But it's clear you were looking in the mirror when you said it. n/t
Catherina
Apr 2013
#73
Excellent comment, Catherina. I am happy though to see Caprilles finally exposed for what he is.
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#82
I never asked you, but do you think fraud allegations should be looked at by CNE?
joshcryer
Apr 2013
#20
"Birther' leader Orly Taitz ordered by Supreme Court to pay $20,000 fine for 'frivolous' lawsuit"
Zorra
Apr 2013
#54
The fact is, most of us know that corporatists are always going to use any means possible
Zorra
Apr 2013
#63
Well, that's what happens when you ask me a question before I have coffee at 6 am.
Starry Messenger
Apr 2013
#100
We shouldn't be surprised. Capriles is basically a Ven version of the Koch brothers
Exultant Democracy
Apr 2013
#21
He may have learned a lot from his wife, Teresa, who inherited her former husbands Heinz Ketchup.
Judi Lynn
Apr 2013
#96
Kind of tired of the choice being presented as either Stalin or Hitler...
Spitfire of ATJ
Apr 2013
#61
Our MEDIA does that. To them it's all about the leader, not the cause....
Spitfire of ATJ
Apr 2013
#70
You know as well as I do most people in Central and South America don't participate...
Spitfire of ATJ
Apr 2013
#78
We're talking about an exposed 'fraud'. That fraud is committed by PEOPLE necessitates
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#85