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Starry Messenger

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110. Unless I missed something (perfectly possible)
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:35 AM
Apr 2013

a hand recount was always impossible because the votes are computerized.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/determined-capriles-demands-recount-1.1502545#.UXDociuY6hY



Maduro, who had been declared the winner of the elections by 50.8 percent to 49 percent, said he would support “totally and fully” whatever the election council decides.

Earlier, Chief Justice Luisa Estela Morales said the opposition request for a recount was “an impossibility”, because Venezuela's computerised voting system does not allow for the kind of vote-by-vote recount demanded by Capriles.



I did check out the full report. It was overwhelmingly positive, imo. It highlighted the fact that Capriles and his camp were satisfied going in that things would be fair.

"Repeated calls by both candidates for citizens to vote, as well as extensive participation of political party representatives in both pre-election preparations and audits of the automated voting system programmed by the National Electoral Council (CNE), contributed to citizen confidence in the voting system. Even so, isolated claims of fraud surfaced after the vote. Nevertheless, the whole opposition leadership, including, most importantly, Capriles himself, unequivocally rejected those claims, stating that the
results reflected the will of the electorate."


"Security of the Voting Machines
In the most open process to date, according to opposition technical experts, political party and domestic observer technical experts participated in the 16 pre-election audits of the entire automated system and the postelection audit, including hardware and software as well as the fingerprint databases.
MUD experts who participated in the audits repeatedly stated they were confident about the security mechanisms and the secrecy of the vote."

"On the Campaign Trails
The campaign featured two candidates in structurally different positions. The striking contrasts between their campaign strategies were to be expected. The popular 57-year-old president-candidate was governing for the 13th year and seeking his third,
consecutive, six-year term after being diagnosed with an undisclosed form of cancer.14 In firm control of the state and riding a moderate economic recovery by the time the campaign began, Chávez campaigned as the embodiment of his movement and indeed the nation, using the saying, “Chávez, heart of the fatherland.”

Capriles, by contrast, was not very well-known around the whole country, as he was running for national office from a governor’s post. Moreover, he was a youthful 40-year-old from a well-heeled background with weak oratory skills and a campaign organization with resource limitations and internal tensions. He needed an effectively designed campaign strategy and a perfectly executed campaign trail performance to stand a chance. He achieved those objectives, but they were not enough.'"

http://www.cartercenter.org/resources/pdfs/news/peace_publications/election_reports/venezuela-2012-election-study-mission-final-rpt.pdf

Of course, the recall might be moot if Capriles doesn't resume his post as Governor tomorrow. He will simply be removed. It must be tough trying to perform the duties of office while running for higher office for most of the year. Edit to ask, did he win his own state this time for President? I haven't been able to find if this is so.

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" this is his own operation... to keep the interest of his voters" "he has to make a scandal" Catherina Apr 2013 #1
More than half a dozen dead... ocpagu Apr 2013 #3
You do realize if he goes to jail a whole lot more will die, right? joshcryer Apr 2013 #4
OK ,to big to Jail, look forward..... bahrbearian Apr 2013 #26
Nope, that poster has been posting about political violence... joshcryer Apr 2013 #47
There's nothing false about this narrative. ocpagu Apr 2013 #65
Well, maybe you'll get your wish. joshcryer Apr 2013 #66
What do you defend? ocpagu Apr 2013 #69
The votes. joshcryer Apr 2013 #77
Proabably the same thing would have happened if Bush & Cheney had been arrested Doctor_J Apr 2013 #28
Who's going to apologize to her that her grandson was shot in the head for a "scandal"? Catherina Apr 2013 #8
Who's going to apologize for the nearly 200k dead Venezuelans since 2000? joshcryer Apr 2013 #11
Wow. You've taken the low road there. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #15
Unbelievable, the 'logic' to defend the indefensible, isn't it? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #52
They have been planning this for a long time. ocpagu Apr 2013 #68
It definitely seems that way. It has the unsettling feeling of a return to the old sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #72
They've been planning for the CNE to be corrupt and to call it out? joshcryer Apr 2013 #75
Nope. ocpagu Apr 2013 #79
Sure. But Maduro made it actually viable. joshcryer Apr 2013 #95
epic fucking fail frylock Apr 2013 #67
No way to have prevented it. Ken Burch Apr 2013 #103
Hiring cops wasn't the problem. joshcryer Apr 2013 #106
Thanks for posting this Coyotl Apr 2013 #35
This video... ocpagu Apr 2013 #2
Lua confirms one thing, Capriles is crazy. joshcryer Apr 2013 #5
I'm beyond disgusted. Catherina Apr 2013 #6
Maduro is stupid as long as he doesn't count the votes. joshcryer Apr 2013 #7
Since Capriles seems to already know he has lost - what is the point of a recount? djean111 Apr 2013 #12
The opposition has dealt with "irregularities" for years. joshcryer Apr 2013 #13
BTW, I did not call Maduro crazy, I called Capriles crazy. joshcryer Apr 2013 #19
They've been exposed, now watch the twisted, pretzel logic we will hear from the right wing sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #81
An audit was already made ocpagu Apr 2013 #88
That's not the damn allegation. joshcryer Apr 2013 #93
not a single one of those fake allegations can be proven reorg Apr 2013 #101
did he come to you as a little bird? Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #9
Only reconfirming what a total jerk you are. Catherina Apr 2013 #10
+1000! Puglover Apr 2013 #17
adios mi pajarita comemierda n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #27
"Goodbye my bow tie eating grin" ? bahrbearian Apr 2013 #29
lol, whatever you say n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #31
Care to translate to English? Come on, you are not afraid, are you? idwiyo Apr 2013 #42
Shit-eating bird Coyotl Apr 2013 #43
Thank you. I wonder if the poster themselves would like to translate, instead of hiding. idwiyo Apr 2013 #48
shit eater would be the literal translation but not the meaning of the expression itself n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #51
Bullshit. But it's clear you were looking in the mirror when you said it. n/t Catherina Apr 2013 #73
^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000 Coyotl Apr 2013 #36
Excellent comment, Catherina. I am happy though to see Caprilles finally exposed for what he is. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #82
Was there ever any doubt? Catherina Apr 2013 #87
How i wish I could recommend this post. hifiguy Apr 2013 #91
Heh joshcryer Apr 2013 #14
The sicko interventionists are grumpy this morning. Very sad. byeya Apr 2013 #16
Pathetic. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #18
I never asked you, but do you think fraud allegations should be looked at by CNE? joshcryer Apr 2013 #20
Does one take an Orly Taitz seriously? Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #22
Excellent analogy Doctor_J Apr 2013 #25
Capriles didn't say that. joshcryer Apr 2013 #45
Orly Taitz's objections were answered. joshcryer Apr 2013 #44
"Birther' leader Orly Taitz ordered by Supreme Court to pay $20,000 fine for 'frivolous' lawsuit" Zorra Apr 2013 #54
If the allegations are investigated and proven to have been false... joshcryer Apr 2013 #55
The fact is, most of us know that corporatists are always going to use any means possible Zorra Apr 2013 #63
Well, I consider chavismo right wing. joshcryer Apr 2013 #71
Really? Right wing? ocpagu Apr 2013 #90
Going in circles. joshcryer Apr 2013 #92
There's a lot of things I wish too Josh. No need to get personal. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #98
I thought it was unfair to compare to Orly Taitz. joshcryer Apr 2013 #99
Well, that's what happens when you ask me a question before I have coffee at 6 am. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #100
Well, the audits are being done, so my grievences end there. joshcryer Apr 2013 #107
I don't think it was ever in doubt that the vote would be audited. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #108
The level of the audit was always in question. joshcryer Apr 2013 #109
Unless I missed something (perfectly possible) Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #110
The thing about the Carter report... joshcryer Apr 2013 #111
+1 ! idwiyo Apr 2013 #50
Lol, that's a perfect analogy. Orly Taitz. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #89
I think all voter fraud allegations should handled by the USSC. bahrbearian Apr 2013 #30
With a little help from the CIA I am sure. zeemike Apr 2013 #23
We shouldn't be surprised. Capriles is basically a Ven version of the Koch brothers Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #21
Rove is advising the fascists down there Doctor_J Apr 2013 #24
That figures. limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #104
Sick freaks. I hope they're jailed for the rest of their lives. polly7 Apr 2013 #32
thanks, just further proof they are spying on Capriles Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #33
I had it on good authority that political spying was OK on these forums. joshcryer Apr 2013 #46
And Secretary of State John Kerry is on this bandwagon because ??? Coyotl Apr 2013 #34
Kerry inherited Clinton's policies flamingdem Apr 2013 #37
I should add: knows little and cares even less nt flamingdem Apr 2013 #39
He may have learned a lot from his wife, Teresa, who inherited her former husbands Heinz Ketchup. Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #96
Oh no! Another family tie situation flamingdem Apr 2013 #97
Just imagine the uproar naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #38
Okay but what do you think about the tactics used by Capriles? nt flamingdem Apr 2013 #40
I don't like them at all naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #41
I'm supportive of the count the vote tactic. joshcryer Apr 2013 #57
They are stirring the cauldron of violence, hoping it will boil over. Coyotl Apr 2013 #49
Great pic. ocpagu Apr 2013 #84
a little birdie came to Capriles and said reorg Apr 2013 #53
Yes, Capriles is exposing the stuff the Carter Center found. joshcryer Apr 2013 #56
Kicked, Recommended, Copied because I need this in my journal. Catherina Apr 2013 #58
Wonderful information, reorg. ocpagu Apr 2013 #80
Imagine if Romney supporters rioted.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #59
That is incorrect. joshcryer Apr 2013 #60
Kind of tired of the choice being presented as either Stalin or Hitler... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #61
I have never presented that. joshcryer Apr 2013 #64
Our MEDIA does that. To them it's all about the leader, not the cause.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #70
No, our media does not do that. joshcryer Apr 2013 #74
You know as well as I do most people in Central and South America don't participate... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #78
We're talking about an exposed 'fraud'. That fraud is committed by PEOPLE necessitates sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #85
They will in the FORMAL REQUEST. joshcryer Apr 2013 #94
Very interesting. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #62
Precisely n/t Catherina Apr 2013 #76
Venezuelan right wingers are openly more violent than American ones. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #83
Well, you have to wonder who is instigating the violence. There is long history of that kind of sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #86
Looks like Capriles mask fell off. pa28 Apr 2013 #102
Some right wing oligarchies just can't take a hint. limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #105
Kick for the priceless arrogance of the Henrique Capriles n/t Catherina Apr 2013 #112
Lol, what a douche. Daniel537 Apr 2013 #113
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