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karynnj

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20. Too bad you did not hear the full comment in context
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:51 PM
Apr 2013

I don't have a link - other than to the House Foreign Relations committee. The comments were Kerry saying that we needed to pay more attention to Latin America. The comment was essentially saying that we were neighbors.

It is true that you could say that this is something that did not translate well - however, you could also say that a President of a country should consider the FULL statement and the tone in which it was delivered. Here, he is ignoring Kerry's record on Latin America which is better than most American leaders and likely the best of any of his stature. ie Kerry, unlike the Clintons was strongly against the Contras in the 1980s - and continued to speak on that for years.

In addition, in 2005, Kerry won praise of the AFL/CIO for leading the fight on the Finance committee on CAFTA. He fought for an amendment in the Senate Finance Committee that would have added some worker’s and environmental rights to CAFTA. The amendment was defeated in the Republican controlled committee on a 10 to 10 vote and there are no such provisions in the CAFTA treaty that Senator Kerry voted against. That amendment was praised by John Sweeney , head of the AFL/CIO as:
“Senator Kerry (D-Mass.) will introduce an important amendment to the administration’s draft implementing legislation that would address a key failing of agreement by giving workers’ rights the same priority as corporate rights. His amendment would go a long way toward fixing the inadequate workers’ rights provisions in this lopsided trade deal by making protections for core labor standards fully enforceable. The Kerry amendment would ensure that all the CAFTA countries meet international core workers’ rights standards, a change to the agreement that has been a key demand of workers in both the U.S. and Central America.”

He may be the only person to have ever quoted Latin American Liberation Theory bishops in the Finance Committee on the harm done by NAFTA and the fact that CAFTA was worse. In early 2005, at the hearing on the nomination of Robert Portman to be the U. S. Trade Representative, Senator Kerry spoke of earlier treaties and their negative impacts of workers in both the US and the other countries and reiterated that he would not support CAFTA as it was. Senator Kerry in his comments spoke of the fact that in addition to NAFTA having the known negative impact on US jobs, it had hurt poor Mexicans as well.

“Obviously, in the opposition to CAFTA in the Central American region is striking in and of itself. You’ve got small farmers, indigenous groups, environmentalists, bishops, parliamentarians. Many others have spoken out against it. And what they do is they cite the experience of Mexico as one of the reasons that they’re deeply concerned about it. In Mexico, real wages have fallen. Poverty has risen. More than a million small farmers lost their land. Many civil society groups and people of conscious believe that you’ve got an even, you know, worse enforcement mechanism and a worse starting point here. Tens of thousands of Central Americans have taken to the streets to protest this. They’re demanding a public referendum on the agreement. A recent Gallup poll found that 65 percent of Guatemalans think it’s going to harm rather than help their country. You’ve got a number of immigrant groups here in our country, the League of United Latin American Citizens, the Labor Council for Latin American Advancement, CARACEN, Salvadorian American National-Network, others have come out against it.
Why do you think such a broad and diverse range of Central Americans here and there are against it? And what does that say about this consensus that is so necessary to proceed forward and make it work?”

I do think that SoS Kerry should call him and apologize for how it sounded and explain what he was speaking of.

I frankly am not surprised at your lack of surprise - as your cynicism about Kerry - makes you jump to conclusions far beyond anything said in this article.

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That digusting expression should've died long ago dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #1
Except here it has no negative connotations - in fact it is saying we are close neighbors karynnj Apr 2013 #12
That depends on who's saying it. dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #16
If it is derogatory in their culture, we should not use it. ieoeja Apr 2013 #19
That is true - and Kerry should call to explain what he meant karynnj Apr 2013 #27
My point is that I do not think that is the most usual interpretation karynnj Apr 2013 #24
In that case, the one saying it is Kerry karynnj Apr 2013 #36
The term backyard implies ownership, and that is the problem. However, whether it is South America still_one Apr 2013 #18
It was not implying that at all to me karynnj Apr 2013 #23
understood, and I suspect that is not what Kerry meant, but that is the conotation today still_one Apr 2013 #26
"Our backyard" means we own it. "Backyard neighbor" means they own it and we're neighbors. SharonAnn Apr 2013 #33
Here, it is a joking way of saying we are physically close. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #38
In this case its demeaning dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #47
I don't agree with you. It is a cajoling remark, not an insult. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #48
"In our backyard," illustrated all these long years before Latin American unity started to develope, Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #50
sure limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #69
k&r for self-determination, and for the end of imperialism. n/t Laelth Apr 2013 #2
+++ whatyousaid Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #5
What you said! ReRe Apr 2013 #11
Yes, indeed! hifiguy Apr 2013 #34
K &R for the same reason...n/t zeemike Apr 2013 #49
A good documentary to watch is "Our Brand is Crisis" featuring James Carville... cascadiance Apr 2013 #3
Oh awesome! Thank you. I just found it on youtube too Catherina Apr 2013 #7
Evo SamKnause Apr 2013 #52
Very interesting...thanks for posting it. zeemike Apr 2013 #62
Found and saved for later. silverweb Apr 2013 #32
Good old Goni fled to his brand new home in Maryland, where he's happy as a clam. Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #74
More on US-protected killer President, Bolivia's Goni: Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #88
More about this brave indigenous Bolivian woman, Filomena León: Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #89
Incredible documentary Catherina Apr 2013 #90
Thank you. Glad it helped a number of people here... It had helped me see the truth about Carville cascadiance Apr 2013 #96
I made an OP here (link) Catherina Apr 2013 #99
Sorry the joke was meant as more of a comment on how Carville and his wife were earlier perceived... cascadiance Apr 2013 #107
Good for Evo. ocpagu Apr 2013 #4
It was a shock to learn how far he actually is from what people expected. Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #44
Evo SamKnause Apr 2013 #6
+ byeya Apr 2013 #43
I think this is a good place to leave this: Maedhros Jul 2013 #116
I had hoped Kerry would be better than this Tempest Apr 2013 #8
Too bad you did not hear the full comment in context karynnj Apr 2013 #20
good for him. Deep13 Apr 2013 #9
Not to nitpick, but you claim whathehell Apr 2013 #14
Yeah they are. Deep13 Apr 2013 #45
Fail. whathehell Apr 2013 #64
"I'm sure Kerry did not believe he said anything offensive." Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #17
Um, only if John Kerry was even remotely like the fictional Archie Bunker, LOL whathehell Apr 2013 #65
Kerry is obviously just as clueless.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #66
Exaggerate much? whathehell Apr 2013 #76
I swear,....if you have to explain a joke. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #84
Nah..If you have to explain a joke, often it's either whathehell Apr 2013 #92
Or it's the room. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #93
Good try, bro, but in this case, whathehell Apr 2013 #94
That's what I get for being subtle. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #105
"Subtle"? whathehell Apr 2013 #110
Good for him...No nation should be the "backyard" of another. n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #10
John Kerry really stepped on his **** this week, bvar22 Apr 2013 #13
This is - at most - a problem in the translation and I suspect a call from the Secretary karynnj Apr 2013 #22
This is more than a mistake, bvar22 Apr 2013 #25
^THIS^ hifiguy Apr 2013 #39
What has John Kerry's position been? karynnj Apr 2013 #55
Go Evo! ReRe Apr 2013 #15
I've read it and you're correct. It's a life changing book. mountain grammy Apr 2013 #56
Honestly.... ReRe Apr 2013 #59
It's worth a try. mountain grammy Apr 2013 #60
after reading the book Confessions Of A Economic Hitman riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #21
I would think that we could focus our energy on the positive, Cary Apr 2013 #28
Here's what Kerry said, in image form Catherina Apr 2013 #29
Only a jaudiced eye would read his comment as you did karynnj Apr 2013 #58
The comment is in black and white. Only a apologist or naive mind would read it the way you did Catherina Apr 2013 #67
Backyard versus Front Yard barrybar Apr 2013 #112
An excellent commentary Catherina Apr 2013 #113
Good one! Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #114
For cripes sake... gcomeau Apr 2013 #30
That is the way I always heard it as well karynnj Apr 2013 #57
Many posters in the group literally leap for joy at the opportunity to rub America's nose in shit. Flatulo Apr 2013 #68
This is an incredibly unbalanced ridiculous article karynnj Apr 2013 #31
Well... ocpagu Apr 2013 #40
That is again your speculation karynnj Apr 2013 #53
It's a question, above all. ocpagu Apr 2013 #54
Did you really type all of that with a straight face? Lol Catherina Apr 2013 #61
Thank you. whathehell Apr 2013 #77
Considering our history in LA -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #35
Exactly right. They know exactly what "paying more attention to them" will do. Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #46
This is one of those infinitely revealing hifiguy Apr 2013 #37
Anyone unaware of this fact absolutely MUST start doing some crash research, and keep at it, Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #51
K&R Go Evo! idwiyo Apr 2013 #41
Evo should've said "We are your backyard. Wanna play?" SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #42
Evo needs to go chew some coca leaves Zorro Apr 2013 #63
At least he didn't say Latin America is the USA's litterbox. nt limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #70
"What are we? Your trash dump?" "We may be ill-fed, ill-clothed..." (more details) Catherina Apr 2013 #71
A jury voted 6-0 to Leave it Alone Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #72
No doubt Morales intends to immediately return every dollar in cash assistance the US has ever sent, Flatulo Apr 2013 #73
The US has done its major dealing with the racist, secessionist white supremicists in Santa Cruz, Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #75
So you're saying that Morales has never taken a cent from the US? Flatulo Apr 2013 #80
Thank you, Judi, for the info... ocpagu Apr 2013 #98
The US never gives "assistance" without expecting something in return. Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #78
I guess my question is, has Morales taken even a nickel from the US? If not, great. If so, Flatulo Apr 2013 #79
It is a common misperception that the US is the most generous of nations... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #81
Hah, I wish them luck with the Chinese. If you think the Yanqis have screwed over our southern Flatulo Apr 2013 #87
I think you miss the point.... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #97
My point was that the Chinese will pursue their national interests more aggressively than the hated Flatulo Apr 2013 #101
Is this just wishful thinking... ocpagu Apr 2013 #103
Wishful thinking, as in I would do a happy dance if the Chinese screwed Bolivia? No, I have Flatulo Apr 2013 #111
Not that 150 million in 8 years is very much but that's interesting. Where did you find that? Catherina Apr 2013 #83
Wikipedia Flatulo Apr 2013 #85
Thanks but is there anything that shows where that $150 went, and how much of it went anywhere? Catherina Apr 2013 #91
I'm laughing so hard it hurts lol Catherina Apr 2013 #82
'Backyard' is a simple colloquialism. We used it all the time. I grew up in Mssachusetts, Flatulo Apr 2013 #86
I don't think your analogy works in this case Catherina Apr 2013 #95
I don't believe that Kerry meant to be insulting. Flatulo Apr 2013 #102
"Their job is pretty much to represent our interests" ocpagu Apr 2013 #104
Nice try. Flatulo Apr 2013 #106
You're missing the point. ocpagu Apr 2013 #108
Ok, I see. We're a capitalistic society, and we have an inbred fear of leftist governments. Flatulo Apr 2013 #109
Evo's got a chip on his shoulder Zorro Apr 2013 #100
Kick. n/t Judi Lynn May 2013 #115
Viva Evo Morales, and his hard work toward a much better world. He is respected, Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #117
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