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ikri

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17. The islanders won't even discuss the issue
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 06:05 PM
Mar 2012

The last polling had something like 90% of islanders refusing to even talk about a potential referendum. Britain is not the belligerent party here. Britain has offered twice to have the Falklands Islands sovereignty discussed at the International Court of Justice, both times Argentina refused. Argentina abandoned claims to the islands in the 1850 Treaty of Convention (minor historical footnote, it was the US ship the Lexington who removed Argentine settlers from the islands), Argentina then made no further claims on the islands for the next 130 years. Argentina's major claim to the islands is that they inherited the claim from Spain when they gained independence, but at the time of independence the Falkland Islands had been ceded to Britain by Spain for 40 years.

Argentina has a weak claim on the islands based on their geography, but if we base the sovereignty of a country on its distance from a larger, more powerful neighbour then by rights Ireland should still be British, though following that to its natural conclusion, Britain actually belongs to France which belongs to Germany which owns all its neighbours but is still smaller than Russia who should now be considered the only country to exist on the entire Eurasian plate. Oh and the USA? Canada is bigger so it's time to develop a taste for poutine. In short, defining the sovereignty of a country based on it's location is absurd.

It's their land, it's been their land for generations, it's up to them and them alone to determine sovereignty and they're not interested in discussing the issue. They have their own parliament on the islands, they make all their own decisions, raise their own taxes and control their own spending with the exception of the UK military forces on the islands that are only needed because the last time the islands were left undefended, Argentina invaded!

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Well now that Roger Waters has sharp_stick Feb 2012 #1
Should they be asked? ocpagu Mar 2012 #7
I guess that would depend on sharp_stick Mar 2012 #8
Can't we all just be comfortably numb and get along? Democrats_win Feb 2012 #2
They should be returned to the Penguins. Moonwalk Feb 2012 #3
Gawd - next thing you know, he'll be saying America and India deserve independence. leveymg Feb 2012 #4
also, Uruguay has to go back to either Brazil or Argentina MisterP Feb 2012 #5
What does he mean by return? naaman fletcher Feb 2012 #6
We Should Respect The Wishes Of The Falklanders Vogon_Glory Mar 2012 #9
Even in this heavily pro-British account of the history of the Falklands... Peace Patriot Mar 2012 #10
I diasgree naaman fletcher Mar 2012 #11
Agreed. n/t Vogon_Glory Mar 2012 #12
I suggest you look at a map. nt Peace Patriot Mar 2012 #13
What does that have to do with anything? naaman fletcher Mar 2012 #14
I think that the complete absence of voting/polling evidence on "the islanders' wishes"... Peace Patriot Mar 2012 #15
OK then, naaman fletcher Mar 2012 #16
The islanders won't even discuss the issue ikri Mar 2012 #17
So... ocpagu Mar 2012 #18
Very interesting, to say the least. Thanks for the UN list of Non-Self-Governing Territories n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2012 #19
I have an answer Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #20
Laughably naaman fletcher Mar 2012 #21
yeah, ikri did a great job summarizing Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #22
Or more likely, naaman fletcher Mar 2012 #23
Argentina is not facing any trouble right now. ocpagu Mar 2012 #24
Yes naaman fletcher Mar 2012 #25
Because they still have a state-appointed governor ikri Mar 2012 #26
Coincidentally I am listening to Pink Floyd flamingdem Mar 2012 #27
That was David Gilmour's son dipsydoodle Mar 2012 #28
I think it was Gilmour flamingdem Mar 2012 #29
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