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ocpagu

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10. LOL
Mon May 13, 2013, 03:42 PM
May 2013
"All one needs is a memory, which would tell you that controlled economies always fail."

Sure. Success can only be achieved by savage capitalism and unregulated economy... this current financial crisis and the situation of Europe shows that quite well.

"Denying capitalism as a natural process of humans interacting with each other is like denying the existence of gravity."

That's quite a ridiculous argument. And there's nothing "natural" about the corporatocracies of today. Adam Smith would be probably be shocked to see what these criminals are doing in his name and in the name of this thing they insist in calling "capitalism". The neoliberal model, the corporatocracies, the oligopolies and monopolies are anti-capitalist.

"Communists and others will condemn self-interest and anyone who acts out of it, but they fail to see that they themselves are the most selfish of all, because they want to obtain value (food, shelter, medical care) without offering anything in exchange. They condemn the prosperous but feed off of them. They claim to hate money, but want it handed to them. They claim the rich steal their labor, but they have no qualms against stealing the fruits of others production."

You seem to have quite an oversimplified vision of economics. A binary division where anyone who's not a member of the crazy neoliberal cult is a "communist". It's pathetic, really. "Condemn the prosperous but feed of them"? "want to obtain value without offering anything in exchange"? What the fuck are you talking about?

Your own government has DONATED hundreds and hundreds of billions of public money to save the personal patrimony of bankers and a group of criminals who carefully planned an economic crisis to get richer with the appropriation of public funds. Your working class, your people, your poors are the ones feeding your billionaires, while they send their money to tax havens.

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Predictable naaman fletcher May 2013 #1
he's proposing that the military be used now to produce food Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #7
This place well collapse before year end. nt. naaman fletcher May 2013 #8
well, at least they are getting Chinese satellites so they can watch the collapse live n/t Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #11
Expropriate! Flatulo May 2013 #2
So he's blaming the scarcity on an enterprise that is actually producing to its fullest? Marksman_91 May 2013 #3
thats why he isn't going to expropriate Polar. The previous businesses expropriated Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #4
As the government tries ever harder to flout the laws of supply and demand, and fails ever Flatulo May 2013 #5
amen n/t Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #6
Fanatics of any ideology are always detrimental to society Marksman_91 May 2013 #9
LOL ocpagu May 2013 #10
Now you're the one who's thinking binary. Flatulo May 2013 #13
Even if I accept everything you say here is true: naaman fletcher May 2013 #14
It's funny how people always remember to blame governments for that... ocpagu May 2013 #15
That's a different story naaman fletcher May 2013 #16
Nope. ocpagu May 2013 #17
I agree with you totally naaman fletcher May 2013 #18
right, he's trying to change the subject. We are talking about shortages Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #19
How come "that has nothing to do with the fact that price controls cause shortages"? ocpagu May 2013 #20
The objective has nothing to do with it naaman fletcher May 2013 #21
Oh, my... Flatulo May 2013 #23
Oh, so you believe anyone who's willing to make money is allowed to speculate and manipulate prices? ocpagu May 2013 #24
How is the value of a thing determined? At the simplest level, it is the cost of the labor, Flatulo May 2013 #28
Are you claiming that commodities traders are causing shortages in VZ? Are they causing Flatulo May 2013 #22
They are manipulating prices... ocpagu May 2013 #25
So, naaman fletcher May 2013 #26
Exactly my thoughts. Flatulo May 2013 #27
They don't care about the poor and it gives them talking points. joshcryer May 2013 #29
Polar rejects accusations that production has been reduced (Maduro lie #819,258) Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #12
Elías Jaua asks Polar to make a small "sacrifice" and produce at a loss to guarantee food supplies Marksman_91 May 2013 #30
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