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Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
13. Now you're the one who's thinking binary.
Mon May 13, 2013, 04:45 PM
May 2013

Our current economic mess was largely of our own making, the result of decades of deregulation (from both D and R administrations) and a free-wheeling housing market that seemed to know no upper limit.

People were buying properties that they couldn't afford, getting loans from lenders who were ridiculously over-leveraged, which loans were then turned into brand-new investment products which were guaranteed to blow up. There was no secret meeting of global elites planning this thing. It was just a joyride that hit a brick walk.

So yes, our system is screwed up. I agree with you that Adam Smith would roll over at our excesses.

I'm a pragmatist. I look at places that seem to be working well and say Gee, lets try some of that. Places that seem to be working well are the Northern European social democracies - Demark, Germany, Finland etc. They have high taxes, a strong social safety net and are very hard-working and industrious people who are also the happiest in the world. They are also very successful capitalists with a high standard of living and exports that are the envy of the world (Audi, BMW etc).

The Southern European economies are in the shitter due to corruption, poor tax enforcement, bloated government, and a much more laid-back attitude towards productivity.

I think Venezuela is on the wrong track. I may have a simplified understanding of economics, but I sure as hell know more than the current leadership there. They seem to be governing under a model of radical redistribution, low productivity, and near absolute dependance on a single resource, a resource that the rest of the world is tying to rid itself of. Does that sound like a good economic model to you? Add to that a deeply divided populace which the regime is egging on by playing off half the people as bad guys, thereby chasing away the best and most productive class, and I say No Thanks, we don't need that up here. All they seem to be accomplishing is spreading misery everywhere.

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Predictable naaman fletcher May 2013 #1
he's proposing that the military be used now to produce food Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #7
This place well collapse before year end. nt. naaman fletcher May 2013 #8
well, at least they are getting Chinese satellites so they can watch the collapse live n/t Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #11
Expropriate! Flatulo May 2013 #2
So he's blaming the scarcity on an enterprise that is actually producing to its fullest? Marksman_91 May 2013 #3
thats why he isn't going to expropriate Polar. The previous businesses expropriated Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #4
As the government tries ever harder to flout the laws of supply and demand, and fails ever Flatulo May 2013 #5
amen n/t Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #6
Fanatics of any ideology are always detrimental to society Marksman_91 May 2013 #9
LOL ocpagu May 2013 #10
Now you're the one who's thinking binary. Flatulo May 2013 #13
Even if I accept everything you say here is true: naaman fletcher May 2013 #14
It's funny how people always remember to blame governments for that... ocpagu May 2013 #15
That's a different story naaman fletcher May 2013 #16
Nope. ocpagu May 2013 #17
I agree with you totally naaman fletcher May 2013 #18
right, he's trying to change the subject. We are talking about shortages Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #19
How come "that has nothing to do with the fact that price controls cause shortages"? ocpagu May 2013 #20
The objective has nothing to do with it naaman fletcher May 2013 #21
Oh, my... Flatulo May 2013 #23
Oh, so you believe anyone who's willing to make money is allowed to speculate and manipulate prices? ocpagu May 2013 #24
How is the value of a thing determined? At the simplest level, it is the cost of the labor, Flatulo May 2013 #28
Are you claiming that commodities traders are causing shortages in VZ? Are they causing Flatulo May 2013 #22
They are manipulating prices... ocpagu May 2013 #25
So, naaman fletcher May 2013 #26
Exactly my thoughts. Flatulo May 2013 #27
They don't care about the poor and it gives them talking points. joshcryer May 2013 #29
Polar rejects accusations that production has been reduced (Maduro lie #819,258) Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #12
Elías Jaua asks Polar to make a small "sacrifice" and produce at a loss to guarantee food supplies Marksman_91 May 2013 #30
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