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Socialistlemur

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11. Do you have to visit the nazi concentration camps to believe they were there?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 08:01 AM
Jul 2013

As you probably know by now, I distrust government propaganda and tend to be quite paranoid when somebody tries to drive me in a given direction. But I know something called nazism emerged in Germany and the nazis carried out genocide which indeed horrible.

Thus it's possible to become convinced that something is, or is not, without being there. I have seen enough complaints and descriptions of what happened and happens in Cuba to convince me it is a dictatorship and it abuses human rights. I also happen to study very closely what happens in Venezuela for my work, and I have recruited students from their universities, quite a few of which tell me what goes on. And I see you posting propaganda about Venezuela I know is bogus. So, my friend, this means you lose credibility.

And if you lose credibility posting material about Venezuela why should I believe much you state about Cuba? Au contraire, I'd say the intensity you display makes my antennae come up.

And tell me, why should I disbelieve the UN human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others? I know they do cover some things, but I don't think they complain inventing facts. On the other hand I've noticed the Cuban regime has for over 50 years refused to hold elections. I also heard the Mario Silva recordings in which he says Fidel Castro felt democracy and free elections were invented by the burguesie and should not be used "because the people could make mistakes". Mario Silva nailed the coffin as far as I am concerned: Fidel Castro is an anti democratic and obsolete dictator. And given what I read nowadays, I think Raul Castro is a born again fascist. Those two, each in their own way, have shown they are not worth a glass of warm spit.

Which returns me to the OP. I think the bay of pigs invasion was a dumb idea. I also read different versions about why it failed. But what comes out seems to be told by Americans who were trying to cover their behinds. Therefore I repeat we do need to see if the CIA documents can be obtained...maybe someday we may know a bit more. I even dare say it may have been the Cubans betrayed by Kennedy who shot him?

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FFS, everybody's dead, EXCEPT Castro Demeter Jul 2013 #1
Ignorance is bliss. Mika Jul 2013 #2
I talked to an individual that was part of the invasion. vinny9698 Jul 2013 #3
Incorrect version of the story Socialistlemur Jul 2013 #4
JFK FIRED CIA Director Allen Dulles over the 'Bay of Pigs.' Don't know where you get your info... Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #5
We need to regain that faith we all had when protesters dared to speak out in the 1960's. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #6
Kennedy had to be a real idiot if he thought an uprising would take place Socialistlemur Jul 2013 #8
You've never been there ... Mika Jul 2013 #9
Do you have to visit the nazi concentration camps to believe they were there? Socialistlemur Jul 2013 #11
"why should I disbelieve the UN human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch ..." Mika Jul 2013 #12
So you think amnesty internacional cant check what goes on? Socialistlemur Jul 2013 #15
You can do your own search of DU. It's been covered many times. Mika Jul 2013 #16
Here Mika Jul 2013 #17
Why would he have been an idiot? He relied on the CIA for accurate intelligence and they LIED... Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #18
No air support was promised... MinM Jul 2013 #10
Thanks for your post. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #14
Recording of JFK telling Sargent Shriver not to let CIA infiltrate the Peace Corps MinM Jul 2013 #19
Glad to have learned that using the Peace Corps for ulterior purposes was NOT Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #20
JFK did not cancel any airstrikes at all MinM Jan 2014 #21
YUP, the bay of pigs and the cuban military crises were the two things that turned JFK naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #13
The rest of this needs to be revealed NOW. Hope it can happen. Thanks, Mika. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #7
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