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Bacchus4.0

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13. do you mean where more human rights abuses occur, or do you mean by which government?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:05 PM
Jul 2013

As far as the respective governments go I'd say Venezuela is currently worse. Much of Colombia's violence is perpetrated by paras and the rebels. and not necessarily afiliated with the government. Although the army and paras certainly have their ties but its not necessarily always the case that the government is behind para violence.

Venezuela has a nearly non-existent judicial system, police commit more than 20% of crimes as admitted by their own interior minister. Look at their prisons, the level of corruption, arrest rate, conviction rate, murder rate and compare to Colombia. Colombia has a functioning justice system and actually investigates and prosecutes human rights abusers as Judi Lynn posts just about every week.

Colombia probably has more political violence, but not necessarily more violence commited by government officials like the police.

Its often stated here that Colombia is the most dangerous place in the Americas for union activitists, what you don't hear is that Venezuela is second.

I think Colombia is improving and progressing while Ven is regressing.

Also, for non-violent abuses like restricting press, free speech, political opposition, Ven is certainly worse.

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More, from the same article: Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #1
Can someone please explain what Plan Colombia was(is), and why? leveymg Jul 2013 #2
It was initiated by Bill Clinton. I haven't learned anything re: Kissinger, Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #3
Here's an interesting article about US corporate holdings in Colombia. leveymg Jul 2013 #6
the prediction of increased violence has proved false Bacchus4.0 Jul 2013 #8
Just scanned your article, will read it upon return, late this P.M. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #11
started by Pres. Pastrana of Colombia and Clinton Bacchus4.0 Jul 2013 #4
Does Colombia act as a regional proxy for U.S. policy vis-a-vis Venezuela, others? leveymg Jul 2013 #5
for Venezuela it can. They typically blame Colombia and the US Bacchus4.0 Jul 2013 #7
Do you think the US has a double-standard re: human rights standards applied to the two countries? leveymg Jul 2013 #9
of course, I think the US has one standard for allies and one for those countries that are not Bacchus4.0 Jul 2013 #10
Relatively speaking, which do you think is the worse human-rights abuser: Colombia or Venez? leveymg Jul 2013 #12
do you mean where more human rights abuses occur, or do you mean by which government? Bacchus4.0 Jul 2013 #13
Given what you just said, why do you post (almost) exclusively about abuses in Venez? leveymg Jul 2013 #14
I just like to rub it in their faces. I never try to hide the abuses and problems in Colombia Bacchus4.0 Jul 2013 #15
Thank you for your candor. leveymg Jul 2013 #16
Indeed, the whole point is to be level. joshcryer Jul 2013 #17
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