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Oele

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6. That current "power and monied elite" in venezuela mainly consists of chavistas.

Wed Feb 19, 2014, 12:33 PM

Feb 2014

And you are oversimplifying.

It seems that you're saying that *because* US businesses/governments dislike "leftist governments", chavismo must be great for the people of Venezuela and everything that opposes Chavismo must be the result of some secret US plot.

What if the Venezuelans themselves want things to change? What if they have had enough of the insecurity, corruption, empty stores?

It's their country you know, they don't need you or me to tell them when it's ok to protest. They don't need some kind of CIA plot to see that things are going horribly wrong in their country.

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Beauty queen Genesis Carmona is shot during Venezuela protests [View all] Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 OP

But remember, DU'ers tell us it's the left that's the problem! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #1

*please* stop trying to turn every thread in a left vs right argument. :( Oele Feb 2014 #3

No it's not complicated at all. It's the power and monied elites at the top of the food Cleita Feb 2014 #4

Please tell me how this is about ideology when... Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #5

Revolutions are messy. I witnessed many when I lived in South America. Cleita Feb 2014 #8

The students get free education. joshcryer Feb 2014 #21

I'm sure they don't and I don't understand your point. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #22

They would resist such efforts as they are now. joshcryer Feb 2014 #23

The streets are fine to let them know the temper of the people. Cleita Feb 2014 #25

They have zero control over anything but rocks and bottles. joshcryer Feb 2014 #28

They will be helped if there is an advantage to some would be ruling Cleita Feb 2014 #29

Chavistas control the military, the judicary, the police, and paramilitaries. joshcryer Feb 2014 #30

No they can't. But they can be used to achieve an end by the Oiligarch. Cleita Feb 2014 #32

I don't see how. joshcryer Feb 2014 #34

It doesn't mean they won't come back when the climate is right. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #36

They'd need loyalists or mercenaries. joshcryer Feb 2014 #38

Those old dudes have younger heirs who probably have been Cleita Feb 2014 #40

But it's not a revolution. joshcryer Feb 2014 #41

Yes I know and I hope it's not a revolution. Cleita Feb 2014 #42

It's the tupamaros and collectivos and national guard. joshcryer Feb 2014 #43

There's clear evidence that it's not their own "party" killing them Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #45

thats interesting since there was a long side discussion on one of the threads in LBN Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #26

The protesters span a very large spectrum. joshcryer Feb 2014 #27

That current "power and monied elite" in venezuela mainly consists of chavistas. Oele Feb 2014 #6

So they don't like Maduro. They are being ginned up by interests who want Cleita Feb 2014 #9

Right now I'd say things are worse than before Ch�vez. Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #12

They are, and they should get rid of Maduro in the next election. Cleita Feb 2014 #13

Bush should have been tried and convicted in the Hague. joshcryer Feb 2014 #17

I agree and I still hope Bush and his Veep Cheney will Cleita Feb 2014 #18

Yes, the boligarchs. joshcryer Feb 2014 #16

Something yanks don't understand. Cleita Feb 2014 #24

If you are not a boligarch you are not protected. joshcryer Feb 2014 #31

I hope this is what they do because a real revolution would be disastrous. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #33

no, not really. It is indeed a class society but has everything to do with money. Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #35

People don't understand, even Chavez lamented the boligarchs. joshcryer Feb 2014 #37

You make my point. They are more like Americans where class is defined Cleita Feb 2014 #39

What could they do drastic? joshcryer Feb 2014 #47

Venezuela has been such a petrie dish to me of breaking the Cleita Feb 2014 #48

"Maldito el soldado que apunta su arma contra su pueblo" - Bolivar joshcryer Feb 2014 #49

Yeah until they do a military coup. Cleita Feb 2014 #50

The military answers to the boligarchs. joshcryer Feb 2014 #51

I know that but the military always backs the power they feel will win. Cleita Feb 2014 #52

Mostly unarmed street kids v national guard. joshcryer Feb 2014 #53

Whatever. None of us knows the future. Cleita Feb 2014 #54

I predict it'll die down. joshcryer Feb 2014 #55

The hundred dead is sad. I hope not, but I do hope Maduro goes Cleita Feb 2014 #56

What is wrong with revolution? joshcryer Feb 2014 #57

Pretty similar. Cleita Feb 2014 #58

Wasn't that the "unfinished revolution"? joshcryer Feb 2014 #59

Neither you nor I have any control over what happens. We can only hope it's not Cleita Feb 2014 #60

I don't think martial law will have a good result. joshcryer Feb 2014 #61

I totally agree. Maduro an ass to do it if he does. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #62

Discussions in this group sure give an impression regarding who is a minority in DU. delrem Feb 2014 #44

Sorry, but we're actually informed about Latin America. joshcryer Feb 2014 #46

graphic photo Ms. Carmona Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #2

News just broke out that she ended up dying... Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #7

Very sad. I do hope she gets justice, but not the kind overthrowing Cleita Feb 2014 #10

The government is responsible. joshcryer Feb 2014 #15

A revolution will lead to a grab for power from the same Cleita Feb 2014 #19

The boligarchs already control everything. joshcryer Feb 2014 #20

very very sad right now. n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #11

RIP joshcryer Feb 2014 #14

RIP Beauty Queen. springchick Feb 2014 #65

Min. Rodriguez Torres claims the bullet came from "her own lines" Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #63

Sadly, it certainly plays well for the opposition. Mika Feb 2014 #64

The Chavistas have embraced the pageantry, sadly. joshcryer Feb 2014 #66

Both sides are. But, destabilization nearly accomplished. n/t Mika Feb 2014 #67

Lopez played the gambit perfectly. joshcryer Feb 2014 #68