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joshcryer

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59. Wasn't that the "unfinished revolution"?

Thu Feb 20, 2014, 05:39 AM

Feb 2014

As I said I don't think the students can effect much change, but if something happens I would rather it be revolution, as a simple change of hands would not be effective, I think that's what happened to the Bolivian revolutionaries, they just gave up to the conservatives and the IMF.

From how I see it the most likely outcome if the students don't quit after a week or a month or so is Diosdado Cabello having a coup and instituting a military junta with Adan Chavez as the defacto leader. Maduro is already talking about implementing martial law in Tachira, he knows he has to nip it in the bud quick.

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Beauty queen Genesis Carmona is shot during Venezuela protests [View all] Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 OP

But remember, DU'ers tell us it's the left that's the problem! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #1

*please* stop trying to turn every thread in a left vs right argument. :( Oele Feb 2014 #3

No it's not complicated at all. It's the power and monied elites at the top of the food Cleita Feb 2014 #4

Please tell me how this is about ideology when... Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #5

Revolutions are messy. I witnessed many when I lived in South America. Cleita Feb 2014 #8

The students get free education. joshcryer Feb 2014 #21

I'm sure they don't and I don't understand your point. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #22

They would resist such efforts as they are now. joshcryer Feb 2014 #23

The streets are fine to let them know the temper of the people. Cleita Feb 2014 #25

They have zero control over anything but rocks and bottles. joshcryer Feb 2014 #28

They will be helped if there is an advantage to some would be ruling Cleita Feb 2014 #29

Chavistas control the military, the judicary, the police, and paramilitaries. joshcryer Feb 2014 #30

No they can't. But they can be used to achieve an end by the Oiligarch. Cleita Feb 2014 #32

I don't see how. joshcryer Feb 2014 #34

It doesn't mean they won't come back when the climate is right. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #36

They'd need loyalists or mercenaries. joshcryer Feb 2014 #38

Those old dudes have younger heirs who probably have been Cleita Feb 2014 #40

But it's not a revolution. joshcryer Feb 2014 #41

Yes I know and I hope it's not a revolution. Cleita Feb 2014 #42

It's the tupamaros and collectivos and national guard. joshcryer Feb 2014 #43

There's clear evidence that it's not their own "party" killing them Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #45

thats interesting since there was a long side discussion on one of the threads in LBN Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #26

The protesters span a very large spectrum. joshcryer Feb 2014 #27

That current "power and monied elite" in venezuela mainly consists of chavistas. Oele Feb 2014 #6

So they don't like Maduro. They are being ginned up by interests who want Cleita Feb 2014 #9

Right now I'd say things are worse than before Ch�vez. Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #12

They are, and they should get rid of Maduro in the next election. Cleita Feb 2014 #13

Bush should have been tried and convicted in the Hague. joshcryer Feb 2014 #17

I agree and I still hope Bush and his Veep Cheney will Cleita Feb 2014 #18

Yes, the boligarchs. joshcryer Feb 2014 #16

Something yanks don't understand. Cleita Feb 2014 #24

If you are not a boligarch you are not protected. joshcryer Feb 2014 #31

I hope this is what they do because a real revolution would be disastrous. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #33

no, not really. It is indeed a class society but has everything to do with money. Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #35

People don't understand, even Chavez lamented the boligarchs. joshcryer Feb 2014 #37

You make my point. They are more like Americans where class is defined Cleita Feb 2014 #39

What could they do drastic? joshcryer Feb 2014 #47

Venezuela has been such a petrie dish to me of breaking the Cleita Feb 2014 #48

"Maldito el soldado que apunta su arma contra su pueblo" - Bolivar joshcryer Feb 2014 #49

Yeah until they do a military coup. Cleita Feb 2014 #50

The military answers to the boligarchs. joshcryer Feb 2014 #51

I know that but the military always backs the power they feel will win. Cleita Feb 2014 #52

Mostly unarmed street kids v national guard. joshcryer Feb 2014 #53

Whatever. None of us knows the future. Cleita Feb 2014 #54

I predict it'll die down. joshcryer Feb 2014 #55

The hundred dead is sad. I hope not, but I do hope Maduro goes Cleita Feb 2014 #56

What is wrong with revolution? joshcryer Feb 2014 #57

Pretty similar. Cleita Feb 2014 #58

Wasn't that the "unfinished revolution"? joshcryer Feb 2014 #59

Neither you nor I have any control over what happens. We can only hope it's not Cleita Feb 2014 #60

I don't think martial law will have a good result. joshcryer Feb 2014 #61

I totally agree. Maduro an ass to do it if he does. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #62

Discussions in this group sure give an impression regarding who is a minority in DU. delrem Feb 2014 #44

Sorry, but we're actually informed about Latin America. joshcryer Feb 2014 #46

graphic photo Ms. Carmona Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #2

News just broke out that she ended up dying... Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #7

Very sad. I do hope she gets justice, but not the kind overthrowing Cleita Feb 2014 #10

The government is responsible. joshcryer Feb 2014 #15

A revolution will lead to a grab for power from the same Cleita Feb 2014 #19

The boligarchs already control everything. joshcryer Feb 2014 #20

very very sad right now. n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #11

RIP joshcryer Feb 2014 #14

RIP Beauty Queen. springchick Feb 2014 #65

Min. Rodriguez Torres claims the bullet came from "her own lines" Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #63

Sadly, it certainly plays well for the opposition. Mika Feb 2014 #64

The Chavistas have embraced the pageantry, sadly. joshcryer Feb 2014 #66

Both sides are. But, destabilization nearly accomplished. n/t Mika Feb 2014 #67

Lopez played the gambit perfectly. joshcryer Feb 2014 #68