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Warren DeMontague

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28. Couple things, Bill. One, thanks for the detailed and thoughtful reply.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:40 AM
Sep 2012

Two, Let me say that "you're just jealous" is an extremely lame brush-off of what I think is a legitimate analysis; that many kids in our society, many boys, certainly, get a hard time if they're not athletic or sports-oriented or what. I like to think it's better than it used to be. I definitely think that geography and the energy of the local community, the messages which are reinforced in the schools, etc. plays a big part.

Three, thanks for the thing about the religious based-bullying. Really, I don't think you could call it coercive religion or even something well-thought out by "believers". More like, kid on the school bus is asked what religion he is, kid says "Atheist", other kids don't know what that is, kid says "it means I don't believe in God", which, apparently, kid is not allowed to do.

Well, I survived, and they didn't know me very well, because they didn't change my mind, to say the least. And in the grand scheme of things, I know a lot of kids have endured far worse than what I did, sadly. These experiences gave me a long-running sympathy for the underdog in any given situation, and in the end analysis are part of who I am, so I don't regret them or wish them away. But I do appreciate your sympathy and kind words.

Four, Trumad is not, by any stretch of the imagination, "my nemesis", (nor is he the official -or unofficial- "nemesis" of this group). Actually, when I signed up for DU in 2004, I distinctly remember Trumad being one of the first people to welcome me here. I've seen Trumad make some good points on a number of issues. Trumad was blocked from this group because he- for whatever reason- decided to wage a rather goofy vendetta against this group's existence, and was incapable of coming in here to do anything except insult the group and its members. I don't know what his reasoning was for this, nor do I particularly care. No group on DU would stand for that sort of behavior, and we won't either. Trumad being the only person blocked from this group is merely a function of his total repeated demonstrated unwillingness to do anything except come in here and lob turds at people. So, fine, he can hang out somewhere else. No big deal.

And another thing to remember is, the seeming hard-and-fast "sides" in these things are really, not. The posters in HoF whom I think Trumad believed he was erstwhile "defending" at that time, had been calling for his internet head a few months earlier because he posted a thread in meta containing a word that starts with a "C". One thing you should know about DU, and this probably applies to all sorts of internet discussions, is you shouldn't take these spats or inter-group disagreements or long-running feuds or whatever the fuck they may be, very seriously. There are people here who are supposed to be on some "other side" or another with whom I have totally productive conversations with and no problem working with on common tasks.

I'm really not interested in perpetuating these silly dramas, at all, and frankly I can't even keep track of all the people who are supposed to be on which side. There have been so many silly fights on DU over all manner of things, really you'd need an excel spreadsheet to stay on top of who is supposed to be for or against who else. I sure can't. So I say what I think, and don't really pay all that much attention to who did what or when or whose team is supposed to be whose.

I agree with the rest of what you've written. Like I said, I was a skinny, nerdy early adolescent. Then I grew into a relatively strapping high schooler. Then I grew into a sort of crazed hippie. (I've been a lot of people, in my life) then I put on some weight, and then I discovered better eating and exercise, lost the weight and got into what I consider now the best shape of my life. And I lift weights. So I agree. Exercise has done wonders for my self esteem, my health and my state of mind.

Definitely not. And I know I'm not the only one, either!! n/t HuskiesHowls Dec 2011 #1
Partly unassociated dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #2
That's not fair..... daleanime Dec 2011 #3
That's one of the reasons I avoid sad movies. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #4
When I hear "sensitive men," my first question is 'Sensitive to what?' Taverner Dec 2011 #5
here qb Feb 2012 #6
*raises hand* tech_smythe Feb 2012 #7
No, it's not "macho assholes" that get laid more... The Doctor. Feb 2012 #10
teeth. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #8
Does 'getting misty-eyed' at 'macho crap' count? The Doctor. Feb 2012 #9
Macho has its place too. Bonobo Feb 2012 #11
Or chew bubble gum and kick ass Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #12
But in my experience the ones that act macho... Odin2005 Feb 2012 #13
Oh believe me I don't have a problem with well placed violence tech_smythe Feb 2012 #14
"that's where I'm a Viking!" lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #16
Checking in, waves hi to my male colleagues nt steve2470 Mar 2012 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author radicalliberal Aug 2012 #17
Welcome to DU, and to the men's group. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #18
here are some traits that I consider "manly", above and beyond sensitive, which is one: Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #20
my duaghter would add being able to catch fish loli phabay Aug 2012 #22
I'd say with bare hands, particularly. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #23
nah noodling and the old splash method. loli phabay Aug 2012 #24
"those stereotypes you name; and I agree with your post-- but do they even really apply anymore?" radicalliberal Sep 2012 #25
Why would you think that I, or anyone else here, would respond to Dr. Van Ornum that way? Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #26
Hi, Warren! :-) radicalliberal Sep 2012 #27
Couple things, Bill. One, thanks for the detailed and thoughtful reply. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #28
i guess it depends what you cry at, getting whacked in the nuts is acceptable loli phabay Aug 2012 #19
Yes, but what if the tv show is "Ow, My Balls"? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #21
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