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mother earth

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8. Absolutely NO MYTH.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 08:30 AM
Sep 2012
http://factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/
The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

This chart, based on historical figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, shows the total deficit or surplus for each fiscal year from 1990 through 2006. Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994. The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton’s predecessor, George H.W. Bush. Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts.

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton’s fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

Clinton’s large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn’t counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while.

Update, Feb. 11: Some readers wrote to us saying we should have made clear the difference between the federal deficit and the federal debt. A deficit occurs when the government takes in less money than it spends in a given year. The debt is the total amount the government owes at any given time. So the debt goes up in any given year by the amount of the deficit, or it decreases by the amount of any surplus. The debt the government owes to the public decreased for a while under Clinton, but the debt was by no means erased.

Other readers have noted a USA Today story stating that, under an alternative type of accounting, the final four years of the Clinton administration taken together would have shown a deficit. This is based on an annual document called the "Financial Report of the U.S. Government," which reports what the governments books would look like if kept on an accrual basis like those of most corporations, rather than the cash basis that the government has always used. The principal difference is that under accrual accounting the government would book immediately the costs of promises made to pay future benefits to government workers and Social Security and Medicare beneficiaries. But even under accrual accounting, the annual reports showed surpluses of $69.2 billion in fiscal 1998, $76.9 billion in fiscal 1999, and $46 billion for fiscal year 2000. So even if the government had been using that form of accounting the deficit would have been erased for those three years.

- Brooks Jackson

Sources

Congressional Budget Office, "Historical Budget Data," undated, accessed 6 Sep 2010.

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There was a national debt number when he left office Gman Sep 2012 #1
I think they predicted more or less by 2007, I forget. secondwind Sep 2012 #5
Clinton surplus Mattias Sep 2012 #10
All of our public finances are pretty much made up as we go along. bemildred Sep 2012 #2
It's borrowed from the Chinese, Japanese, individual American citizens and institutions that buy US progree Sep 2012 #13
It's real debt, but it's debt in fake money. bemildred Sep 2012 #16
Nobody "added a zero". Sorry about that. Tell Greece, Spain etc. their debt problems aren't real progree Sep 2012 #18
The Fed adds zeroes whenever it likes. bemildred Sep 2012 #19
Nope, they do not. But don't let me interfere with your fantastical delusions progree Sep 2012 #20
It's paper, when it's anything at all. bemildred Sep 2012 #21
Its not "just paper" when the sheriff comes to evict you from your home. Go bug the freepers nt progree Sep 2012 #25
OK, it's special paper, with little colored threads in it, and holographs. bemildred Sep 2012 #26
Yes. Now go bug the freepers. Most of us are working on campaigns. nt progree Sep 2012 #27
Don't let me drag you away from your work Sport. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #28
Put it another way: the surplus is just as real as the debt. bemildred Sep 2012 #22
It was real, or would have been in foreseeable future, elleng Sep 2012 #3
Not the wars EC Sep 2012 #6
thanks for replies, although am still confused, but less so! secondwind Sep 2012 #4
Republicans call it "imaginary" because the surplus came from Warpy Sep 2012 #7
Absolutely NO MYTH. mother earth Sep 2012 #8
Add to that, Republican presidents have historically & factually been the true spenders, Reagan & GW mother earth Sep 2012 #9
Some more on that point -- progree Sep 2012 #14
Too good to wait for opening your link: TY progree. mother earth Sep 2012 #23
There's NOTHING conservative about the GOP, in fact that label squarely belongs to the Dems. mother earth Sep 2012 #24
So why did the national debt keep increasing every year? I think because there are other surpluses progree Sep 2012 #15
Real and nomninall money Mattias Sep 2012 #11
They were kind of, sort of, real surpluses progree Sep 2012 #12
Taxes for the wealthy have been slashed significantly through those years. What is expected then, mother earth Sep 2012 #17
National Debt Mattias Sep 2012 #29
Well said. There's no easy way out of this Bush Depression...the GOP sunk this ship, when Obama is mother earth Sep 2012 #30
And to add Mattias Sep 2012 #31
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