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A HERETIC I AM

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2. What you apparently fail to grasp, is that a Treasury Bond isn't money "borrowed".
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:05 PM
Jan 2012

It is a security that it SOLD.

No one at the US Treasury went hat in hand to the Chinese or "the bankers" or anyone else and said "Please PLEASE lend us 12 Trillion dollars!"

The overwhelming amount of debt the US Treasury has outstanding is in the form of commonly issued bonds - bonds that are regularly AUCTIONED and no one, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON OR ENTITY, is obligated to participate in the auctions or buy the bonds.


"we borrowed it from banks and other governments."

Wrong.

Banks and other governments PURCHASED US Treasury securities because they are seen as just about the safest, most liquid security in the world. They pay their interest payments on time and they are redeemed at par on schedule, completely predictably.

Here's a question for you;

China (or whoever) holds X amount of 30 year US bonds with 25 years to maturity. Now all of the sudden they decide they don't want them anymore, for whatever reason. Can they demand their money back from the Treasury?


"I'm beginning to wonder if Krugman himself understands debt. . . . ."

And I have wondered for quite a while if you understand the bond market at all, how bonds work, how they are issued, the difference between yield and coupon, what a callable bond is, what a putable bond is, par, discount, premium, yield to maturity, yield to call, current yield, etc.

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You might want to take a look at this thread from a couple days ago on the same topic -- Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #1
What you apparently fail to grasp, is that a Treasury Bond isn't money "borrowed". A HERETIC I AM Jan 2012 #2
Actually, I know very little about bonds Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #3
Then I'll do my best to help you understand them just a little more. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2012 #5
Excuse me, but I think you just agreed with me, except where you misunderstood me Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #6
It depends on which debt. westerebus Jan 2012 #4
Dear Westerebus, Po_d Mainiac Jan 2012 #7
The reason to Keep Your Powder Dry is on the way... westerebus Jan 2012 #8
$20? Po_d Mainiac Jan 2012 #9
Randon notation AG. westerebus Jan 2012 #19
I tend to fergets the $40-48 ramp job. Dog farts have lingered longer than that. Po_d Mainiac Jan 2012 #23
Curious and curiouser. westerebus Jan 2012 #24
Assassinations, 9/11's and other 'Black Swan' cover-ups don't come cheap Po_d Mainiac Jan 2012 #25
datum can suck Po_d Mainiac Jan 2012 #10
What's wrong with transfer payments going up? eridani Jan 2012 #11
That wood be an option Po_d Mainiac Jan 2012 #20
Or we could shorten work weeks and raise or maintain pay eridani Jan 2012 #22
#23 is deceptive -- makes me distrust the rest of the claims, ayuh. Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #12
The key words are 'private sector' Po_d Mainiac Jan 2012 #13
But the numbers are still deceptive Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #14
You are talking money (which is worse) Po_d Mainiac Jan 2012 #16
But even the number of contributors isn't apples to apples Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #17
It ain't a left or right thing Po_d Mainiac Jan 2012 #21
You're All Having a Par-tay, And Didn't Invite Me? Demeter Jan 2012 #15
It didn't start out as a par-tay Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #18
As long as the debt is denomonated in dollars it makes no difference. Sam1 Jan 2012 #26
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