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Demeter

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27. What Fiscal Cliff? Obama Planning Another "Tax Cut" Fiscal Stimulus
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:12 AM
Oct 2012

BUT WILL HE GET TO PUT IT INTO EFFECT?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/what-fiscal-cliff-obama-planning-another-tax-cut-fiscal-stimulus

Since it would appear that QEternity has ostensibly failed in its main goal of pushing the stock market higher (and mortgage rates lower), the White House seems to be scrambling. Obama administration officials have concluded that the economy, while improved (apparently), is still fragile enough to warrant another bout of stimulus. The same old kitchen sink is being thrown at the problem as they are now resorting to the same fiscal stimulus that has also failed time and time again (as we noted here). As WaPo [SO]strawmans[/SO] reports the White House is discussing the idea of a tax cut that it believes will lift American's take-home pay and boost a still-struggling economy (citing people familiar with the administration's thinking).



Once again we expect 'economists' to come up with counter-factual forecasts.



We can't help but get the terrible feeling of deja vu here (paging Christine Romer). Electioneering? for sure; Will we hear "We have a plan"; of course; but in reality for this to make any sense (in the debt-deleveraging balance sheet recession that we find ourselves in), we must wipe from our minds for one moment the looming fiscal cliff (that our politicians seem stuck with irreconcilable differences), the debt-ceiling/deficit/AAA downgrade debate, and the utter failure of linear-Keynesian model forecasts for stimulus effects in the past.

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Looks like the NY markets will be closed Monday Tansy_Gold Oct 2012 #1
Aye, aye, mon Capitaine! Demeter Oct 2012 #2
Hmm, you're awfully cheery. . . . Tansy_Gold Oct 2012 #3
Nope--just success Demeter Oct 2012 #6
All US Equity Markets Closed Due To Sandy Ghost Dog Oct 2012 #4
Then maybe they ought to pull the plug on those "algos" Demeter Oct 2012 #8
For the best...futures in the crapper! Roland99 Oct 2012 #46
that's MISS Frankenstorm to you... xchrom Oct 2012 #5
APNEWSBREAK: TOYOTA HEADED TO RECORD GLOBAL SALES xchrom Oct 2012 #7
Why don't I believe this? Demeter Oct 2012 #10
everything is 'revised' any more. xchrom Oct 2012 #12
Because they weren't counting Demeter Oct 2012 #21
LAYOFFS, PERKS, LABOR COSTS TRAP FRENCH GOVT xchrom Oct 2012 #9
And of course, there are no profits in it Demeter Oct 2012 #11
... xchrom Oct 2012 #13
Five million paid less than living wage, says KPMG{uk} xchrom Oct 2012 #14
Markets Are Falling xchrom Oct 2012 #15
That's because Uncle Sam's Algos won't come out to play Demeter Oct 2012 #23
SLOSH defined Po_d Mainiac Oct 2012 #48
Supersonic Fiscal Free Fall Demeter Oct 2012 #16
What Fiscal Cliff? Obama Planning Another "Tax Cut" Fiscal Stimulus Demeter Oct 2012 #27
On The Fullness And Boldness Of QE's Manipulation Of American's Behavior Demeter Oct 2012 #29
Italian Markets Are Tanking — And These Ominous Comments From Berlusconi May Be Why xchrom Oct 2012 #17
I think he's too late Demeter Oct 2012 #25
Charting The Undoing Of Credit-Fueled Globalization Demeter Oct 2012 #18
BEHIND THE ROSY SCENARIO Demeter Oct 2012 #19
IMF asks for non-viable Spanish banks to be wound down xchrom Oct 2012 #20
The IMF is going for an Icelandic Solution? Demeter Oct 2012 #26
... xchrom Oct 2012 #28
Spanish judges begin to appreciate misery caused by 'brutal evictions' xchrom Oct 2012 #22
Seven firms a day going under as insolvencies rise {ireland} xchrom Oct 2012 #24
Finns find food for thought in theorised exit strategy xchrom Oct 2012 #30
Spain’s Pain Seen Intensifying as Slump Swells Deficit: Economy xchrom Oct 2012 #31
I'm not certain, but Demeter Oct 2012 #32
this storm sucks - as the kids say. nt xchrom Oct 2012 #33
We were still getting tropical storm strength gusts late last night. Fuddnik Oct 2012 #43
durham isn't near the water -- but it's the wind i worry about. nt xchrom Oct 2012 #44
Huh? Po_d Mainiac Oct 2012 #49
I just read the entire Stoller article from yesterday's thread bread_and_roses Oct 2012 #34
Another Default? Troika Calls for New Debt Relief for Greece xchrom Oct 2012 #35
SPAIN AND ITALY LEADERS MEET TO DISCUSS CRISIS xchrom Oct 2012 #36
With a two word (in large print) press release at the conclusion of the conference Po_d Mainiac Oct 2012 #47
STORM LEADS COMPANIES TO POSTPONE EARNINGS REPORTS xchrom Oct 2012 #37
Sounds like attempted market manipulation to me Demeter Oct 2012 #40
it's a sad state of affairs -- these people in these positions give us no reason to trust them. xchrom Oct 2012 #41
RUSSIAN SHIP WITH 700 TONS OF GOLD ORE MISSING xchrom Oct 2012 #38
How unfortunate--unless, how convenient Demeter Oct 2012 #39
Dr. No? rusty fender Oct 2012 #50
FITCH: US MONEY FUNDS DIP TOES BACK INTO EUROPE xchrom Oct 2012 #42
Consumers Spur Growth in U.S. as Exports Decline xchrom Oct 2012 #45
Markets will be closed again Tuesday. Fuddnik Oct 2012 #51
So do we continue this thread again for tomorrow? DemReadingDU Oct 2012 #52
Notice how quiet all the rest of the world is? Demeter Oct 2012 #53
Because it could. Fuddnik Oct 2012 #54
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