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In reply to the discussion: STOCK MARKET WATCH -- Monday, 16 January 2012 [View all]Demeter
(85,373 posts)29. As Reforms Flag in Greece, Europe Aims to Limit Damage
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/world/europe/europe-now-doubts-that-greece-can-embrace-reform.html?hp
As Greece and its lenders prepare for another week of tense negotiations, European officials now say that the task is less to help the country through its troubles than to avoid the sort of uncontrolled default that many experts fear could threaten the global financial system. Officials from the so-called troika of foreign lenders to Greece the European Central Bank, European Union and International Monetary Fund have come to believe that the country has neither the ability nor the will to carry out the broad economic reforms it has promised in exchange for aid, people familiar with the talks say, and they say they are even prepared to withhold the next installment of aid in March. TAKE THAT! HEDGE FUNDS!
Adding to the anxieties in financial markets, talks broke down Friday between the Greek government and private lenders over a plan to reduce Greeces debt by $130 billion, a voluntary default that the troika has demanded before extending more aid. Those negotiations, aimed at forcing hedge funds and other private holders of Greek debt to accept large losses in order to make the countrys debt load more manageable, will resume Wednesday amid rising concerns about the consequences of failure.
The markets have taken into account a voluntary default by Greece, most experts say. But financial experts fear the possibility of an involuntary default if the negotiators are unable to reach an agreement. That could unleash violent market reactions that could conceivably produce another market cataclysm like the 2008 bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers and throw the world into another recession.
Fanning those fears is a growing conviction among the Greek political establishment and the countrys lenders that the old dynamic with Greece pretending to make structural changes and its lenders pretending to save it from default has become untenable, people close to the talks say...The prime minister is a fine personality hes educated, hes honest, hes the best you can get around. But no one is helping him, said George Kirtsos, the owner of a weekly newspaper, The Athens City Press. Those that take the decisions at a national level believe that Greece will not make it....There is considerable posturing in these sorts of negotiations, and the troika has threatened to withdraw aid in the past, only to approve the next loan installment. It may do so again despite its misgivings, because the alternative of an uncontrolled default is too risky. But it will do so only if negotiations with private bondholders can be completed successfully. But, amid a stream of gloomy news from Europe, including the downgrade of the debt of France and eight other countries, the sense that default is inevitable is growing. When you simply go over the bare figures I cant really imagine another scenario, said Michael Fuchs, a leading member of Chancellor Angela Merkels Christian Democratic Union in the German Parliament....
Greeces dire economic condition can hardly be overstated. After two years of tax increases and wage cuts, Greek civil servants have seen their income shrink by 40 percent since 2010, and private-sector workers have suffered as well. More than $75 billion has left the country as people move their savings abroad. Some 68,000 businesses closed in 2010, and another 53,000 out of 300,000 still active are said to be close to bankruptcy, according to a report issued in the fall by the Greek Co-Federation of Chambers of Commerce. Its an implosion its an endless sequence of implosions from bad to worse, to worse, to worse, said Yanis Varoufakis, an economics professor at the University of Athens and commentator on the Greek economy. Theres nothing to stop the Greek economy losing 60 percent of its G.D.P., given the path it is at. Still, more than 70 percent of Greeks say they want to stay in the euro zone and they continue to believe that Mr. Papademos is the right man for a tough job. Yet the prime minister faces stiff, if stealthy, resistance from politicians who calculate that it makes no sense to risk their careers backing radical changes in the Greek economy that may ultimately fail to solve the problems....
As Greece and its lenders prepare for another week of tense negotiations, European officials now say that the task is less to help the country through its troubles than to avoid the sort of uncontrolled default that many experts fear could threaten the global financial system. Officials from the so-called troika of foreign lenders to Greece the European Central Bank, European Union and International Monetary Fund have come to believe that the country has neither the ability nor the will to carry out the broad economic reforms it has promised in exchange for aid, people familiar with the talks say, and they say they are even prepared to withhold the next installment of aid in March. TAKE THAT! HEDGE FUNDS!
Adding to the anxieties in financial markets, talks broke down Friday between the Greek government and private lenders over a plan to reduce Greeces debt by $130 billion, a voluntary default that the troika has demanded before extending more aid. Those negotiations, aimed at forcing hedge funds and other private holders of Greek debt to accept large losses in order to make the countrys debt load more manageable, will resume Wednesday amid rising concerns about the consequences of failure.
The markets have taken into account a voluntary default by Greece, most experts say. But financial experts fear the possibility of an involuntary default if the negotiators are unable to reach an agreement. That could unleash violent market reactions that could conceivably produce another market cataclysm like the 2008 bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers and throw the world into another recession.
Fanning those fears is a growing conviction among the Greek political establishment and the countrys lenders that the old dynamic with Greece pretending to make structural changes and its lenders pretending to save it from default has become untenable, people close to the talks say...The prime minister is a fine personality hes educated, hes honest, hes the best you can get around. But no one is helping him, said George Kirtsos, the owner of a weekly newspaper, The Athens City Press. Those that take the decisions at a national level believe that Greece will not make it....There is considerable posturing in these sorts of negotiations, and the troika has threatened to withdraw aid in the past, only to approve the next loan installment. It may do so again despite its misgivings, because the alternative of an uncontrolled default is too risky. But it will do so only if negotiations with private bondholders can be completed successfully. But, amid a stream of gloomy news from Europe, including the downgrade of the debt of France and eight other countries, the sense that default is inevitable is growing. When you simply go over the bare figures I cant really imagine another scenario, said Michael Fuchs, a leading member of Chancellor Angela Merkels Christian Democratic Union in the German Parliament....
Greeces dire economic condition can hardly be overstated. After two years of tax increases and wage cuts, Greek civil servants have seen their income shrink by 40 percent since 2010, and private-sector workers have suffered as well. More than $75 billion has left the country as people move their savings abroad. Some 68,000 businesses closed in 2010, and another 53,000 out of 300,000 still active are said to be close to bankruptcy, according to a report issued in the fall by the Greek Co-Federation of Chambers of Commerce. Its an implosion its an endless sequence of implosions from bad to worse, to worse, to worse, said Yanis Varoufakis, an economics professor at the University of Athens and commentator on the Greek economy. Theres nothing to stop the Greek economy losing 60 percent of its G.D.P., given the path it is at. Still, more than 70 percent of Greeks say they want to stay in the euro zone and they continue to believe that Mr. Papademos is the right man for a tough job. Yet the prime minister faces stiff, if stealthy, resistance from politicians who calculate that it makes no sense to risk their careers backing radical changes in the Greek economy that may ultimately fail to solve the problems....
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