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In reply to the discussion: Weekend Economists Host a Lion July 5-7, 2013 [View all]Demeter
(85,373 posts)54. In Secret, Court Vastly Broadens Powers of N.S.A. By ERIC LICHTBLAU
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/us/in-secret-court-vastly-broadens-powers-of-nsa.html?_r=0
In more than a dozen classified rulings, the nations surveillance court has created a secret body of law giving the National Security Agency the power to amass vast collections of data on Americans while pursuing not only terrorism suspects, but also people possibly involved in nuclear proliferation, espionage and cyberattacks, officials say. The rulings, some nearly 100 pages long, reveal that the court has taken on a much more expansive role by regularly assessing broad constitutional questions and establishing important judicial precedents, with almost no public scrutiny, according to current and former officials familiar with the courts classified decisions. The 11-member Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court, was once mostly focused on approving case-by-case wiretapping orders. But since major changes in legislation and greater judicial oversight of intelligence operations were instituted six years ago, it has quietly become almost a parallel Supreme Court, serving as the ultimate arbiter on surveillance issues and delivering opinions that will most likely shape intelligence practices for years to come, the officials said...Weve seen a growing body of law from the court, a former intelligence official said. What you have is a common law that develops where the court is issuing orders involving particular types of surveillance, particular types of targets.
In one of the courts most important decisions, the judges have expanded the use in terrorism cases of a legal principle known as the special needs doctrine and carved out an exception to the Fourth Amendments requirement of a warrant for searches and seizures, the officials said. The special needs doctrine was originally established in 1989 by the Supreme Court in a ruling allowing the drug testing of railway workers, finding that a minimal intrusion on privacy was justified by the governments need to combat an overriding public danger. Applying that concept more broadly, the FISA judges have ruled that the N.S.A.s collection and examination of Americans communications data to track possible terrorists does not run afoul of the Fourth Amendment, the officials said. That legal interpretation is significant, several outside legal experts said, because it uses a relatively narrow area of the law used to justify airport screenings, for instance, or drunken-driving checkpoints and applies it much more broadly, in secret, to the wholesale collection of communications in pursuit of terrorism suspects. It seems like a legal stretch, William C. Banks, a national security law expert at Syracuse University, said in response to a description of the decision. Its another way of tilting the scales toward the government in its access to all this data.
While President Obama and his intelligence advisers have spoken of the surveillance programs leaked by Mr. Snowden mainly in terms of combating terrorism, the court has also interpreted the law in ways that extend into other national security concerns. In one recent case, for instance, intelligence officials were able to get access to an e-mail attachment sent within the United States because they said they were worried that the e-mail contained a schematic drawing or a diagram possibly connected to Irans nuclear program. In the past, that probably would have required a court warrant because the suspicious e-mail involved American communications. In this case, however, a little-noticed provision in a 2008 law, expanding the definition of foreign intelligence to include weapons of mass destruction, was used to justify access to the message. The courts use of that language has allowed intelligence officials to get wider access to data and communications that they believe may be linked to nuclear proliferation, the officials said. They added that other secret findings had eased access to data on espionage, cyberattacks and other possible threats connected to foreign intelligence.
The official, like a half-dozen other current and former national security officials, discussed the courts rulings and the general trends they have established on the condition of anonymity because they are classified. Judges on the FISA court refused to comment on the scope and volume of their decisions. Unlike the Supreme Court, the FISA court hears from only one side in the case the government and its findings are almost never made public. A Court of Review is empaneled to hear appeals, but that is known to have happened only a handful of times in the courts history, and no case has ever been taken to the Supreme Court. In fact, it is not clear in all circumstances whether Internet and phone companies that are turning over the reams of data even have the right to appear before the FISA court.
Created by Congress in 1978 as a check against wiretapping abuses by the government, the court meets in a secure, nondescript room in the federal courthouse in Washington. All of the current 11 judges, who serve seven-year terms, were appointed to the special court by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., and 10 of them were nominated to the bench by Republican presidents. Most hail from districts outside the capital and come in rotating shifts to hear surveillance applications; a single judge signs most surveillance orders, which totaled nearly 1,800 last year. None of the requests from the intelligence agencies was denied, according to the court. Beyond broader legal rulings, the judges have had to resolve questions about newer types of technology, like video conferencing, and how and when the government can get access to them, the officials said. The judges have also had to intervene repeatedly when private Internet and phone companies, which provide much of the data to the N.S.A., have raised concerns that the government is overreaching in its demands for records or when the government itself reports that it has inadvertently collected more data than was authorized, the officials said. In such cases, the court has repeatedly ordered the N.S.A. to destroy the Internet or phone data that was improperly collected, the officials said.
The officials said one central concept connects a number of the courts opinions. The judges have concluded that the mere collection of enormous volumes of metadata facts like the time of phone calls and the numbers dialed, but not the content of conversations does not violate the Fourth Amendment, as long as the government establishes a valid reason under national security regulations before taking the next step of actually examining the contents of an Americans communications. This concept is rooted partly in the special needs provision the court has embraced. The basic idea is that its O.K. to create this huge pond of data, a third official said, but you have to establish a reason to stick your pole in the water and start fishing. Under the new procedures passed by Congress in 2008 in the FISA Amendments Act, even the collection of metadata must be considered relevant to a terrorism investigation or other intelligence activities. The court has indicated that while individual pieces of data may not appear relevant to a terrorism investigation, the total picture that the bits of data create may in fact be relevant, according to the officials with knowledge of the decisions.
Geoffrey R. Stone, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago, said he was troubled by the idea that the court is creating a significant body of law without hearing from anyone outside the government, forgoing the adversarial system that is a staple of the American justice system. That whole notion is missing in this process, he said.
The FISA judges have bristled at criticism that they are a rubber stamp for the government... BECAUSE THE TRUTH HURTS, DOESN'T IT?
OKAY, THIS IS OUTSIDE OF ENOUGH. THERE IS NOTHING "CONSITUTIONAL" ABOUT ANY OF THIS SETUP. THIS IS A KANGAROO COURT, AND WE ARE ALL ITS VICTIMS
In more than a dozen classified rulings, the nations surveillance court has created a secret body of law giving the National Security Agency the power to amass vast collections of data on Americans while pursuing not only terrorism suspects, but also people possibly involved in nuclear proliferation, espionage and cyberattacks, officials say. The rulings, some nearly 100 pages long, reveal that the court has taken on a much more expansive role by regularly assessing broad constitutional questions and establishing important judicial precedents, with almost no public scrutiny, according to current and former officials familiar with the courts classified decisions. The 11-member Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court, was once mostly focused on approving case-by-case wiretapping orders. But since major changes in legislation and greater judicial oversight of intelligence operations were instituted six years ago, it has quietly become almost a parallel Supreme Court, serving as the ultimate arbiter on surveillance issues and delivering opinions that will most likely shape intelligence practices for years to come, the officials said...Weve seen a growing body of law from the court, a former intelligence official said. What you have is a common law that develops where the court is issuing orders involving particular types of surveillance, particular types of targets.
In one of the courts most important decisions, the judges have expanded the use in terrorism cases of a legal principle known as the special needs doctrine and carved out an exception to the Fourth Amendments requirement of a warrant for searches and seizures, the officials said. The special needs doctrine was originally established in 1989 by the Supreme Court in a ruling allowing the drug testing of railway workers, finding that a minimal intrusion on privacy was justified by the governments need to combat an overriding public danger. Applying that concept more broadly, the FISA judges have ruled that the N.S.A.s collection and examination of Americans communications data to track possible terrorists does not run afoul of the Fourth Amendment, the officials said. That legal interpretation is significant, several outside legal experts said, because it uses a relatively narrow area of the law used to justify airport screenings, for instance, or drunken-driving checkpoints and applies it much more broadly, in secret, to the wholesale collection of communications in pursuit of terrorism suspects. It seems like a legal stretch, William C. Banks, a national security law expert at Syracuse University, said in response to a description of the decision. Its another way of tilting the scales toward the government in its access to all this data.
While President Obama and his intelligence advisers have spoken of the surveillance programs leaked by Mr. Snowden mainly in terms of combating terrorism, the court has also interpreted the law in ways that extend into other national security concerns. In one recent case, for instance, intelligence officials were able to get access to an e-mail attachment sent within the United States because they said they were worried that the e-mail contained a schematic drawing or a diagram possibly connected to Irans nuclear program. In the past, that probably would have required a court warrant because the suspicious e-mail involved American communications. In this case, however, a little-noticed provision in a 2008 law, expanding the definition of foreign intelligence to include weapons of mass destruction, was used to justify access to the message. The courts use of that language has allowed intelligence officials to get wider access to data and communications that they believe may be linked to nuclear proliferation, the officials said. They added that other secret findings had eased access to data on espionage, cyberattacks and other possible threats connected to foreign intelligence.
The definition of foreign intelligence is very broad, another former intelligence official said in an interview. An espionage target, a nuclear proliferation target, that all falls within FISA, and the court has signed off on that.
The official, like a half-dozen other current and former national security officials, discussed the courts rulings and the general trends they have established on the condition of anonymity because they are classified. Judges on the FISA court refused to comment on the scope and volume of their decisions. Unlike the Supreme Court, the FISA court hears from only one side in the case the government and its findings are almost never made public. A Court of Review is empaneled to hear appeals, but that is known to have happened only a handful of times in the courts history, and no case has ever been taken to the Supreme Court. In fact, it is not clear in all circumstances whether Internet and phone companies that are turning over the reams of data even have the right to appear before the FISA court.
Created by Congress in 1978 as a check against wiretapping abuses by the government, the court meets in a secure, nondescript room in the federal courthouse in Washington. All of the current 11 judges, who serve seven-year terms, were appointed to the special court by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., and 10 of them were nominated to the bench by Republican presidents. Most hail from districts outside the capital and come in rotating shifts to hear surveillance applications; a single judge signs most surveillance orders, which totaled nearly 1,800 last year. None of the requests from the intelligence agencies was denied, according to the court. Beyond broader legal rulings, the judges have had to resolve questions about newer types of technology, like video conferencing, and how and when the government can get access to them, the officials said. The judges have also had to intervene repeatedly when private Internet and phone companies, which provide much of the data to the N.S.A., have raised concerns that the government is overreaching in its demands for records or when the government itself reports that it has inadvertently collected more data than was authorized, the officials said. In such cases, the court has repeatedly ordered the N.S.A. to destroy the Internet or phone data that was improperly collected, the officials said.
The officials said one central concept connects a number of the courts opinions. The judges have concluded that the mere collection of enormous volumes of metadata facts like the time of phone calls and the numbers dialed, but not the content of conversations does not violate the Fourth Amendment, as long as the government establishes a valid reason under national security regulations before taking the next step of actually examining the contents of an Americans communications. This concept is rooted partly in the special needs provision the court has embraced. The basic idea is that its O.K. to create this huge pond of data, a third official said, but you have to establish a reason to stick your pole in the water and start fishing. Under the new procedures passed by Congress in 2008 in the FISA Amendments Act, even the collection of metadata must be considered relevant to a terrorism investigation or other intelligence activities. The court has indicated that while individual pieces of data may not appear relevant to a terrorism investigation, the total picture that the bits of data create may in fact be relevant, according to the officials with knowledge of the decisions.
Geoffrey R. Stone, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago, said he was troubled by the idea that the court is creating a significant body of law without hearing from anyone outside the government, forgoing the adversarial system that is a staple of the American justice system. That whole notion is missing in this process, he said.
The FISA judges have bristled at criticism that they are a rubber stamp for the government... BECAUSE THE TRUTH HURTS, DOESN'T IT?
OKAY, THIS IS OUTSIDE OF ENOUGH. THERE IS NOTHING "CONSITUTIONAL" ABOUT ANY OF THIS SETUP. THIS IS A KANGAROO COURT, AND WE ARE ALL ITS VICTIMS
A kangaroo court is "a mock court in which the principles of law and justice are disregarded or perverted".[1] It is essentially where the defendant has already been deemed guilty, and has little if any opportunities to object or defend himself...WIKIPEDIA
star chamber proceedings n. any judicial or quasi-judicial action, trial, or hearing which so grossly violates standards of "due process" that a party appearing in the proceedings (hearing or trial) is denied a fair hearing. The term comes from a large room with a ceiling decorated with stars in which secret hearings of the privy council and judges met to determine punishment for disobedience of the proclamations of King Henry VIII of Great Britain (1509-1547). The high-handed, unfair, predetermined judgments, which sent the accused to The Tower of London or to the chopping block, made "star chamber" synonymous with unfairness and illegality from the bench. In modern American history the best example of star chamber proceedings was the conduct of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee (1938-1975) which used its subpena power to intimidate citizens by asking them unconstitutional questions about their political beliefs and associations, and then charging them with contempt of Congress for refusing to answer. Another example was the conduct of criminal proceedings against black defendants in some southern states from 1876 until the late 1960s. (See: kangaroo court)--- http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/star+chamber+proceedings
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So far the only compelling argument I've heard that in fact comprehensive public surveillance is true
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Taxpayer money where someone somewhere is making a 20% guaranteed profit for doing nothing.
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What Did These Idiots Think Would Happen If We Hired Contractors To Handle Spying?
Demeter
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Other than people who read forums, who pays attention to what is going on anyway?
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What's it going to take to get most Americans in the streets like in Egypt, or Turkey, or Brazil
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