Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
Economy
In reply to the discussion: STOCK MARKET WATCH -- Monday, 23 January 2012 [View all]DemReadingDU
(16,002 posts)51. Karl Denninger: You cannot solve a debt problem with more debt.
1/23/12 Lagarde: A Desperate Scream For Help
.
.
.
You cannot solve a debt problem with more debt. You cannot resolve the issues that face the world economy with more borrowing and you cannot "grow out of it", as mathematically you must either grow faster than the debt increases or shrink the debt faster than GDP decreases.
This is mathematical fact, not politics or policy.
Lagarde doesn't want to talk about mathematics and she's not alone. The rest of the developed world is likewise unwilling to face facts when it comes to the mathematical certainties that underpin what is going on in the economy on a global basis. The IMF states that "a collapse in demand" will lead to a global Depression (true) but refuses to admit that "demand" fueled by deficit spending is in fact false; it is "demand" that does not actually exist in the economy as a consequence of actions by people and is instead a reflection of "free stuff" being handed out by those governments.
But "free stuff" is never actually free. It is only a pull forward of demand into today from tomorrow. Then, when tomorrow comes, we do it again. And again. And again.
For how long can this continue? Can it contiunue forever, as people like Lagarde claim? Of course not.
Can we expect productivity and improvement in the economy to lessen and fix sovereign balance sheets? No, because the deficit spending has not stopped and nobody intends to stop it.
But until it does stop, and until the facts are faced there is no resolution, there is no adjustment in the general price level, there is no recognition that the people of these nations have lived at a standard of living that exceeds their ability to earn.
Until that changes -- whether by choice or force -- there is no resolution to the underlying problem, and thus all so-called "recoveries" will be both short-lived and false.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=200922
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
109 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Crazy weather! 20 degrees yesterday and ice, 50 this morning and lots of rain
DemReadingDU
Jan 2012
#25
It hurts US Cloud outfits. Megaupload employed a server farm on US territory.
Ghost Dog
Jan 2012
#50
Advisors Feast on the Lehman Carcass: Bankruptcy on its Way to $2 Billion in Fees
Demeter
Jan 2012
#17
7 signs the corporatocracy is losing its legitimacy ... and 7 populist tools to help shut it down.
Demeter
Jan 2012
#20
Matt Stoller: Fed Transcripts – Why Was Congress in the Dark During the Crafting of Dodd-Frank?
Demeter
Jan 2012
#21
Thanks to a new tool from the EPA, you can see how close you live to the country's biggest polluters
Demeter
Jan 2012
#22
This Article Explains Why Apple Makes iPhones In China And Why The US Is Screwed
FarCenter
Jan 2012
#60
It's not possible in the US without a really huge investment to reestablish whole supply chains
FarCenter
Jan 2012
#67
Apple's Foreign Suppliers Demonstrate Widespread Scamming and Horrific Abuse of Employees
Demeter
Jan 2012
#85
Not to excuse Jobs, but I don't think Apple has much control over its manufacturers
FarCenter
Jan 2012
#98