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In reply to the discussion: Weekend Economists Examine (E)sc(h)atology January 24-26, 2014 [View all]Demeter
(85,373 posts)17. Some Bytes about Bitcoin
Bitcoin is not optimized for privacy
http://www.ianwelsh.net/bitcoin-is-not-optimized-for-privacy/
Just another quick note: Bitcoins keep track of every single transaction. That information is filed into the bitcoin itself.
Do not think that this is anonymous money, it is anything but. Youre still best off using cash for anonymous transactions or buying one use cards, etc for online anonymous transactions.
China got bitcoin right. It is a virtual good. You could just as easily use any other virtual good to transfer money out of a country, so long as there is a liquid market you trust.
Follow The Bitcoins: How We Got Busted Buying Drugs On Silk Road's Black Market
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/09/05/follow-the-bitcoins-how-we-got-busted-buying-drugs-on-silk-roads-black-market/
The crypto-currency Bitcoin has become the preferred payment method for much of the online underground, hailed by none other than the administrator of the booming Silk Road black market as the key to making his illicit business possible. But spending Bitcoins to anonymously score drugs online isnt as simple as its often made out to be.
We at Forbes should know: We tried, and we got caught.
To be clear, we werent caught by law enforcementso far at least, our experiment last month in ordering small amounts of marijuana from three different Bitcoin-based online black markets hasnt resulted in anyone getting arrested. But a few weeks after those purchases, I asked Sarah Meiklejohn, a Bitcoin-focused computer science researcher at the University of California at San Diego, to put the privacy of our black market transactions to the test by tracing the digital breadcrumbs that Bitcoin leaves behind. The result of her analysis: On Silk Road, and possibly on smaller competitor markets, our online drug buys were visible to practically anyone who took the time to look. There are ways of using Bitcoin privately, says Meiklejohn. But if youre a casual Bitcoin user, youre probably not hiding your activity very well.
Bitcoins privacy properties are a kind of paradox: Every Bitcoin transaction that occurs in the entire payment network is recorded in the blockchain, Bitcoins decentralized mechanism for tracking who has what coins when, and preventing fraud and counterfeiting. But the transactions are recorded only as addresses, which arent necessarily tied to anyones identityhence Bitcoins use for anonymous and often illegal applications...
Jack Lew and Jamie Dimon warn of Bitcoin dangers
THE QUESTION ARISES: DANGER TO WHOM? TO JACK LEW AND JAMIE DIMON?
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a00df0fc-8496-11e3-b72e-00144feab7de.html??siteedition=uk
Bitcoin has been tossed into the virtual gutter at the World Economic Forum in Davos this week, as top US financial leaders warned the vitrual currency could be used to fund terrorism and predicted that regulation would put it out of business.
Jack Lew, US Treasury secretary, said: From the governments point of view, we have to make sure it does not become an avenue to funding illegal activities or to funding activities that have malign purposes like terrorist activities...It is an anonymous form of transaction and it offers places for people to hide, Mr Lew said in an interview with CNBC at Davos.
Jamie Dimon, JPMorgan chairman and chief executive, told the same channel: The question isnt whether we accept it. The question is do we even participate with people who facilitate Bitcoin? Ultimately, Mr Dimon said, Bitcoin would be subjected to the same regulatory standards as other payment systems and that will probably be the end of them. Regulatory uncertainty has deterred banks from offering services to virtual currency start-ups. But Mr Dimons cautious approach contrasts with rival Wells Fargo, which recently launched a group to examine how it might safely offer Bitcoin-related services or banking arrangements to virtual currency entrepreneurs.
The JPMorgan boss said: Governments put a huge amount of pressure on banks, and so, to know who your client is, anti-money laundering, did you do real reviews of that? Obviously its almost impossible with something like that. He added that Bitcoin was a terrible store of value that can be replicated over and over, and that according to reports, a lot of it is being used for illicit purposes.
http://www.ianwelsh.net/bitcoin-is-not-optimized-for-privacy/
Just another quick note: Bitcoins keep track of every single transaction. That information is filed into the bitcoin itself.
Do not think that this is anonymous money, it is anything but. Youre still best off using cash for anonymous transactions or buying one use cards, etc for online anonymous transactions.
China got bitcoin right. It is a virtual good. You could just as easily use any other virtual good to transfer money out of a country, so long as there is a liquid market you trust.
Follow The Bitcoins: How We Got Busted Buying Drugs On Silk Road's Black Market
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/09/05/follow-the-bitcoins-how-we-got-busted-buying-drugs-on-silk-roads-black-market/
The crypto-currency Bitcoin has become the preferred payment method for much of the online underground, hailed by none other than the administrator of the booming Silk Road black market as the key to making his illicit business possible. But spending Bitcoins to anonymously score drugs online isnt as simple as its often made out to be.
We at Forbes should know: We tried, and we got caught.
To be clear, we werent caught by law enforcementso far at least, our experiment last month in ordering small amounts of marijuana from three different Bitcoin-based online black markets hasnt resulted in anyone getting arrested. But a few weeks after those purchases, I asked Sarah Meiklejohn, a Bitcoin-focused computer science researcher at the University of California at San Diego, to put the privacy of our black market transactions to the test by tracing the digital breadcrumbs that Bitcoin leaves behind. The result of her analysis: On Silk Road, and possibly on smaller competitor markets, our online drug buys were visible to practically anyone who took the time to look. There are ways of using Bitcoin privately, says Meiklejohn. But if youre a casual Bitcoin user, youre probably not hiding your activity very well.
Bitcoins privacy properties are a kind of paradox: Every Bitcoin transaction that occurs in the entire payment network is recorded in the blockchain, Bitcoins decentralized mechanism for tracking who has what coins when, and preventing fraud and counterfeiting. But the transactions are recorded only as addresses, which arent necessarily tied to anyones identityhence Bitcoins use for anonymous and often illegal applications...
Jack Lew and Jamie Dimon warn of Bitcoin dangers
THE QUESTION ARISES: DANGER TO WHOM? TO JACK LEW AND JAMIE DIMON?
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a00df0fc-8496-11e3-b72e-00144feab7de.html??siteedition=uk
Bitcoin has been tossed into the virtual gutter at the World Economic Forum in Davos this week, as top US financial leaders warned the vitrual currency could be used to fund terrorism and predicted that regulation would put it out of business.
Jack Lew, US Treasury secretary, said: From the governments point of view, we have to make sure it does not become an avenue to funding illegal activities or to funding activities that have malign purposes like terrorist activities...It is an anonymous form of transaction and it offers places for people to hide, Mr Lew said in an interview with CNBC at Davos.
Jamie Dimon, JPMorgan chairman and chief executive, told the same channel: The question isnt whether we accept it. The question is do we even participate with people who facilitate Bitcoin? Ultimately, Mr Dimon said, Bitcoin would be subjected to the same regulatory standards as other payment systems and that will probably be the end of them. Regulatory uncertainty has deterred banks from offering services to virtual currency start-ups. But Mr Dimons cautious approach contrasts with rival Wells Fargo, which recently launched a group to examine how it might safely offer Bitcoin-related services or banking arrangements to virtual currency entrepreneurs.
The JPMorgan boss said: Governments put a huge amount of pressure on banks, and so, to know who your client is, anti-money laundering, did you do real reviews of that? Obviously its almost impossible with something like that. He added that Bitcoin was a terrible store of value that can be replicated over and over, and that according to reports, a lot of it is being used for illicit purposes.
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