Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
Economy
In reply to the discussion: STOCK MARKET WATCH - Wednesday, 1 February 2012 [View all]Demeter
(85,373 posts)32. Liability Release Not the Only Stumbling Block in Foreclosure Fraud Settlement
http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/01/30/liability-release-not-the-only-stumbling-block-in-foreclosure-fraud-settlement/
Matt Taibbi starts off positively exultant when talking about developments in the foreclosure fraud settlement, particularly on the narrow release of liability, but Im interested in what happens after he gets his head out of the clouds:
Taibbi has kind of bought the argument that the robo-signing was a smaller part of a bigger fraud in the securitization markets, which is true. That doesnt mean that a settlement that allows you to go after that poisoned tree by only giving up the fruit is in any way equitable. Thats the point of California Rep. George Miller, a key ally to Nancy Pelosi:
There is a path to a settlement that would at least be somewhat strong, and it includes a whole lot more elements than a narrow release of liability, as Abigail Field explains. It includes serious enforcement with an independent court-appointed monitor that has actual authority and the ability to impose penalties. It includes real nationwide servicing standards that include an auditing of the servicing software and account records to check for systemic fraud, rather than just a promise not to do the bad stuff ever again. And it includes principal reductions where the monitor, not the banks, makes the decision on who gets relief and at what amount. The banks have to pay the fine here, not pass it on to investors. Furthermore:
Regardless of how the DEs MERS lawsuit is resolved and liability for its past actions addressed, the settlement should include an agreement to stop using MERS on all loans made after the date of the settlement. We need to limit the damage.
The settlement has to deal with the fact that most mortgages documents are FUBAR. Robosigning isnt simply about signing documents in a funny way; its about creating documents the banks dont have because they didnt do their job right at the outset. Why are they creating the documents? So they can win foreclosure cases. Thats obstruction of justice. When you dont have the evidence you need, youre not supposed to just make sh-t up. But the servicers are, systematically. And its not like theyre doing things they have the right to do, just late. For a variety of reasons these documents are just fraudulent. Theyre creating documents in the name of companies that have long since gone out of business, for example.
Bottom line: You cant solve robosigning simply by slowing the process down long enough for people to review newly-minted documents before submitting them. Similarly, if the database the reviewer is checking the numbers against is wrong, the review doesnt help either. How to resolve the FUBAR documents situation? I dont know. All I know is that the topic has to be dealt with head on.
This is of course what regulators probably dont even want to wrestle with. The broken nature of the land title system in the United States is a can of worms I think these people arent legitimately interested in opening.
Matt Taibbi starts off positively exultant when talking about developments in the foreclosure fraud settlement, particularly on the narrow release of liability, but Im interested in what happens after he gets his head out of the clouds:
Let me clarify something, for readers who might mistake my meaning here. Robosigning is not a small offense. Its not a clerical issue. Its a mass-perjury issue, a tax evasion issue, a contractual fraud issue, and its a criminal conspiracy issue (the banks highest executives were engaged in planning it) and it resulted in millions of errors that resulted in untold numbers of premature foreclosures.
Robosigning had a profound and immediate impact on large numbers of actual human beings, and I dont want people to think Im dismissing it as unimportant. I probably also shouldnt celebrate news like this until I see how the actual deal looks, what wording is used to narrow the deals purview, how homeowners and other victims will be compensated, what will be done to prevent it in the future, and so on [...]
When I first heard about the foreclosure settlement, I thought it might contain a broad waiver for everything, including the tax evasion issues, the fair lending issues, securitization, and all the other things on that list above. If they did that, that would be TARPx10. My only point about this deal is that it appears to have been effectively negotiated down from a bloodcurdling outrage to whatever it is now, which is probably something far less than that: it may still be a serious underpay, but its not the unreal, criminal giveaway it was originally meant to be.
Robosigning had a profound and immediate impact on large numbers of actual human beings, and I dont want people to think Im dismissing it as unimportant. I probably also shouldnt celebrate news like this until I see how the actual deal looks, what wording is used to narrow the deals purview, how homeowners and other victims will be compensated, what will be done to prevent it in the future, and so on [...]
When I first heard about the foreclosure settlement, I thought it might contain a broad waiver for everything, including the tax evasion issues, the fair lending issues, securitization, and all the other things on that list above. If they did that, that would be TARPx10. My only point about this deal is that it appears to have been effectively negotiated down from a bloodcurdling outrage to whatever it is now, which is probably something far less than that: it may still be a serious underpay, but its not the unreal, criminal giveaway it was originally meant to be.
Taibbi has kind of bought the argument that the robo-signing was a smaller part of a bigger fraud in the securitization markets, which is true. That doesnt mean that a settlement that allows you to go after that poisoned tree by only giving up the fruit is in any way equitable. Thats the point of California Rep. George Miller, a key ally to Nancy Pelosi:
Democratic Congressman George Miller of the East San Francisco Bay area says hes proud of Harris for leaving negotiations that arent in the states best interest. And he says any agreement has to be transparent.
Whatever settlement they have has to go out to the public for a week, for a period of time, where it can be commented on, Miller said, because this represents the largest decisions about peoples homes, their equity, their assets and their worth.
Whatever settlement they have has to go out to the public for a week, for a period of time, where it can be commented on, Miller said, because this represents the largest decisions about peoples homes, their equity, their assets and their worth.
There is a path to a settlement that would at least be somewhat strong, and it includes a whole lot more elements than a narrow release of liability, as Abigail Field explains. It includes serious enforcement with an independent court-appointed monitor that has actual authority and the ability to impose penalties. It includes real nationwide servicing standards that include an auditing of the servicing software and account records to check for systemic fraud, rather than just a promise not to do the bad stuff ever again. And it includes principal reductions where the monitor, not the banks, makes the decision on who gets relief and at what amount. The banks have to pay the fine here, not pass it on to investors. Furthermore:
Regardless of how the DEs MERS lawsuit is resolved and liability for its past actions addressed, the settlement should include an agreement to stop using MERS on all loans made after the date of the settlement. We need to limit the damage.
The settlement has to deal with the fact that most mortgages documents are FUBAR. Robosigning isnt simply about signing documents in a funny way; its about creating documents the banks dont have because they didnt do their job right at the outset. Why are they creating the documents? So they can win foreclosure cases. Thats obstruction of justice. When you dont have the evidence you need, youre not supposed to just make sh-t up. But the servicers are, systematically. And its not like theyre doing things they have the right to do, just late. For a variety of reasons these documents are just fraudulent. Theyre creating documents in the name of companies that have long since gone out of business, for example.
Bottom line: You cant solve robosigning simply by slowing the process down long enough for people to review newly-minted documents before submitting them. Similarly, if the database the reviewer is checking the numbers against is wrong, the review doesnt help either. How to resolve the FUBAR documents situation? I dont know. All I know is that the topic has to be dealt with head on.
This is of course what regulators probably dont even want to wrestle with. The broken nature of the land title system in the United States is a can of worms I think these people arent legitimately interested in opening.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
103 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Too Failed to Be Big? Public Citizen Petitions Federal Regulators to Break Up B of A
Demeter
Jan 2012
#2
Europe’s refiners fall on hard times: IT'S A PERFECT TIME FOR AN IRANIAN OIL EMBARGO!
Demeter
Jan 2012
#11
Portuguese storm gathers as EU leaders fight over Greece By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Demeter
Jan 2012
#17
United States of Europe? What it Will Take to Save the Continent from Economic Collapse
Demeter
Feb 2012
#37
"The probability of the euro zone debt problems turning into a global financial crisis has receded
Demeter
Feb 2012
#31
There's so much very short-term thinking expressed in the financial MSM newsfeeds...
Ghost Dog
Feb 2012
#33
January private-sector jobs rise 170K: ADP (expected 185k. Dec revised down by 33k to 292k)
Roland99
Feb 2012
#48
Apple Tries Damage Control after Horrific Working Conditions at its Factories Exposed
Demeter
Feb 2012
#34
Inside the Bacchanalian Wall Street Fraternity Party of Billionaire Bankers and Hedge Fund Predators
Demeter
Feb 2012
#50
Santander's profits fall 35 percent as bank takes hit on property assets {spain}
xchrom
Feb 2012
#74