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In reply to the discussion: STOCK MARKET WATCH -- Thursday, 2 February 2012 [View all]Roland99
(53,345 posts)34. AMR playing "jingle mail" with their debt (like some homeowners)
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2011/12/19/111219ta_talk_surowiecki
We normally say that a company went bankrupt, implying that it had no choice. But when, recently, American Airlines filed for bankruptcy, it did so deliberately. The airline had four billion dollars in the bank and could have kept paying its bills. But it has been losing money for a while, and its board decided that it was foolish to keep throwing good money after bad. Declaring bankruptcy will trim Americans debt load and allow it to break its union contracts, so that it can slim down and cut costs.
American wasnt stigmatized for the move. Instead, analysts hailed it as very smart. It is now generally accepted that when its economically irrational for a company to keep paying its debts it will try to renegotiate them or, failing that, default. For creditors, thats just the price of business. But when it comes to another set of borrowers the norms are very different. The bursting of the housing bubble has left millions of homeowners across the country owing more than their homes are worth. In some areas, well over half of mortgages are underwater, many so deeply that people owe forty or fifty per cent more than the value of their homes. In other words, a good percentage of Americans are in much the same position as American Airlines: they can still pay their debts, but doing so is like setting a pile of money on fire every month.
These people have no hope of ever making a return on their investment in their homes. So for many of them the rational solution would be a strategic defaultwalking away from the mortgage and letting the bank take the house. Yet the vast majority of underwater borrowers keep faithfully paying their mortgages; studies suggest that perhaps only a quarter of all foreclosures are strategic. Given how much housing prices have fallen, the question is why more people arent just walking away.
Part of the answer is practical. Defaulting (even in so-called non-recourse states) is still a lot of trouble, and to most people its scary. In addition, homeowners are slow to recognize how much the value of their homes has dropped, and have inflated expectations of how much it will rise in the future. The biggest hurdle, though, is social: while companies get called very smart for restructuring their contracts, theres a real stigma attached to defaulting on your mortgage. According to one study, eighty-one per cent of Americans think its immoral not to pay your mortgage when you can, and the idea of default is shaped by what Brent White, a law professor at the University of Arizona, calls a discourse of shame, guilt, and fear. When the housing bubble burst, the banking industry was terrified by the possibility that homeowners might walk away en masse, since that would have stuck lenders with large losses and a huge number of marked-down homes. So strategic default was portrayed as the act of dishonorable deadbeats. David Walker, of the Peterson Foundation, waxed nostalgic about debtors prisons, and John Courson, the head of the Mortgage Bankers Association, argued that defaulters were sending the wrong message to their family and their kids and their friends.
American wasnt stigmatized for the move. Instead, analysts hailed it as very smart. It is now generally accepted that when its economically irrational for a company to keep paying its debts it will try to renegotiate them or, failing that, default. For creditors, thats just the price of business. But when it comes to another set of borrowers the norms are very different. The bursting of the housing bubble has left millions of homeowners across the country owing more than their homes are worth. In some areas, well over half of mortgages are underwater, many so deeply that people owe forty or fifty per cent more than the value of their homes. In other words, a good percentage of Americans are in much the same position as American Airlines: they can still pay their debts, but doing so is like setting a pile of money on fire every month.
These people have no hope of ever making a return on their investment in their homes. So for many of them the rational solution would be a strategic defaultwalking away from the mortgage and letting the bank take the house. Yet the vast majority of underwater borrowers keep faithfully paying their mortgages; studies suggest that perhaps only a quarter of all foreclosures are strategic. Given how much housing prices have fallen, the question is why more people arent just walking away.
Part of the answer is practical. Defaulting (even in so-called non-recourse states) is still a lot of trouble, and to most people its scary. In addition, homeowners are slow to recognize how much the value of their homes has dropped, and have inflated expectations of how much it will rise in the future. The biggest hurdle, though, is social: while companies get called very smart for restructuring their contracts, theres a real stigma attached to defaulting on your mortgage. According to one study, eighty-one per cent of Americans think its immoral not to pay your mortgage when you can, and the idea of default is shaped by what Brent White, a law professor at the University of Arizona, calls a discourse of shame, guilt, and fear. When the housing bubble burst, the banking industry was terrified by the possibility that homeowners might walk away en masse, since that would have stuck lenders with large losses and a huge number of marked-down homes. So strategic default was portrayed as the act of dishonorable deadbeats. David Walker, of the Peterson Foundation, waxed nostalgic about debtors prisons, and John Courson, the head of the Mortgage Bankers Association, argued that defaulters were sending the wrong message to their family and their kids and their friends.
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Actually OBama is much like FDR, FDR had one advantage, a HUGE Democratic majority in Congress
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