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In reply to the discussion: STOCK MARKET WATCH -- Thursday, 9 April 2015 [View all]mother earth
(6,002 posts)1. “we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but we will say that heroes fight like Greeks.”
Payback Time 04.08.151:36 PM ET
Even as Greek PM Schmoozes Putin, He Demands Germany Pay Its Nazi Debt
The attempt to claim reparations from Berlin may be an act of desperation, but it reminds Greeks of the desperate times they survived as heroes during WWII.
Our allies the Greeks, have seen off the Italian army, said Winston Churchill near the height of the Second World War. Hence, he declared, we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but we will say that heroes fight like Greeks.
Those words live on in Greeces national imagination.
The war irretrievably scarred the country. Some figures estimate that almost one in ten Greeks died fighting the Nazisand it wasnt in vain. Greek resistance at the Battle of Crete on May 20, 1941, caused the Germans more loss of life in a single day than the Wehrmacht had experienced up until that point. Even more importantly, Greek resistance delayed the German invasion of the USSR by almost two months, dramatically changing the outcome of the war.
But Greece paid heavily for its bravery. Entire villages were massacred in retaliation for the actions of resistance forces that continued to fight on after the Germans had conquered the country. The Greeks suffered pervasive war crimes, looting and heavy damage to property as well as a 10.3 billion occupation loan that the Bank of Greece was forced to pay the Nazis.
It is these issuesand the wounds they have leftthat Greeces new hard left governing party Syriza is now seeking to exploit in its ongoing battle with the International Monetary Fund and European Union led by Germany, to which it owes hundreds of billions of euros.
The E.U. is demanding payment of its loans; the Greek government is doing its best to renegotiate the terms. In the latest rhetorical blow in this ongoing saga Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras has demanded that Germany payliterallyfor the destruction it visited on his country almost 70 years ago.
After only a few months in power, and desperately trying to stave off bankruptcy, the new governments general accounting office has found the time to calculate (for the first time in Greeces history) that Germany owes it nearly 279bn ($303bn) in reparations.
The Germans reject the claim, pointing to a payment of 115 million Deutschmarks they made to Greece in 1960, and consider the matter closed. This didnt stop Tsipras bringing the demand up in a recent meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin.
Its a typical Syriza move: deeply populist and somewhat cynical as it seeks to distract from the vast sums Greece owes to its creditorsmost immediately an outstanding 450m loan from the IMF due this weekand to build on widespread anti-German sentiment across Greece at the same time.
The Germans are trying to take over Europe again, is a comment Ive heard in various forms over the past few years in Greece as bitterness at the harsh, German-led austerity reforms that successive Greek governments have been forced to impose on their people in exchange for massive cash bailouts has grown. Greeks have seen their standard of living plummet as salaries and pensions have been slashed and unemployment risen to around 25 percent of the population.
Syriza was elected on a platform that promised to end the austerity measures. Its rhetoric was aggressive and confrontationalpromising Greek voters a Syriza government wouldnt bend to E.U. demands. But so far it has been forced to backtrack because its still needs E.U. funds in order to avoid going bankrupt. The fighting rhetoric has so far not been matched by deeds.
So the rhetoric continues.
Our allies the Greeks, have seen off the Italian army, said Winston Churchill near the height of the Second World War. Hence, he declared, we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but we will say that heroes fight like Greeks.
Those words live on in Greeces national imagination.
The war irretrievably scarred the country. Some figures estimate that almost one in ten Greeks died fighting the Nazisand it wasnt in vain. Greek resistance at the Battle of Crete on May 20, 1941, caused the Germans more loss of life in a single day than the Wehrmacht had experienced up until that point. Even more importantly, Greek resistance delayed the German invasion of the USSR by almost two months, dramatically changing the outcome of the war.
But Greece paid heavily for its bravery. Entire villages were massacred in retaliation for the actions of resistance forces that continued to fight on after the Germans had conquered the country. The Greeks suffered pervasive war crimes, looting and heavy damage to property as well as a 10.3 billion occupation loan that the Bank of Greece was forced to pay the Nazis.
It is these issuesand the wounds they have leftthat Greeces new hard left governing party Syriza is now seeking to exploit in its ongoing battle with the International Monetary Fund and European Union led by Germany, to which it owes hundreds of billions of euros.
The E.U. is demanding payment of its loans; the Greek government is doing its best to renegotiate the terms. In the latest rhetorical blow in this ongoing saga Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras has demanded that Germany payliterallyfor the destruction it visited on his country almost 70 years ago.
After only a few months in power, and desperately trying to stave off bankruptcy, the new governments general accounting office has found the time to calculate (for the first time in Greeces history) that Germany owes it nearly 279bn ($303bn) in reparations.
The Germans reject the claim, pointing to a payment of 115 million Deutschmarks they made to Greece in 1960, and consider the matter closed. This didnt stop Tsipras bringing the demand up in a recent meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin.
Its a typical Syriza move: deeply populist and somewhat cynical as it seeks to distract from the vast sums Greece owes to its creditorsmost immediately an outstanding 450m loan from the IMF due this weekand to build on widespread anti-German sentiment across Greece at the same time.
The Germans are trying to take over Europe again, is a comment Ive heard in various forms over the past few years in Greece as bitterness at the harsh, German-led austerity reforms that successive Greek governments have been forced to impose on their people in exchange for massive cash bailouts has grown. Greeks have seen their standard of living plummet as salaries and pensions have been slashed and unemployment risen to around 25 percent of the population.
Syriza was elected on a platform that promised to end the austerity measures. Its rhetoric was aggressive and confrontationalpromising Greek voters a Syriza government wouldnt bend to E.U. demands. But so far it has been forced to backtrack because its still needs E.U. funds in order to avoid going bankrupt. The fighting rhetoric has so far not been matched by deeds.
So the rhetoric continues.
Full article:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/08/even-as-greek-pm-schmoozes-putin-he-demands-germany-pay-its-nazi-debt.html
(posted in GD as well. I wanted to post here for April 9th since it is the due date for Greece. What happens next?
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“we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but we will say that heroes fight like Greeks.”
mother earth
Apr 2015
#1
I don't know about the Moirai, but seems the people themselves are demanding public debt write off.
mother earth
Apr 2015
#20
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Demeter
Apr 2015
#8
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mahatmakanejeeves
Apr 2015
#19
Absolutely. I post his updates each month on vid/mm, this is there too, and he is
mother earth
Apr 2015
#29