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progree

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8. An interesting week of economic data coming up...
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 12:19 PM
Apr 2020
https://www.marketwatch.com/economy-politics/calendar

Tuesday
# Consumer confidence index for April

Wednesday
# First estimate of Q1 GDP - if it's negative, that means we will have 2 quarters in a row of negative GDP -- the informal definition of a recession -- (the official one, by the NBER National Bureau of Economic Research, usually takes a year after one has started before it to be declared, ditto for recoveries)

Thursday
# The weekly initial unemployment claims
# Personal Income and Consumer Spending for March

Friday
# ISM manufacturing index for April
# Motor vehicle sales for April


On the stock market ... someone posted that we've recently been here before:

In 2018 from peak to trough, the market (S&P 500) declined 19.8% (just 0.2% shy of a bear market)
9/20/18: 2930.75 12/24/18: 2351.10

Whereas we're currently (Friday 4/24/20 close of 2837) down 16.2% from the 3386 all time high on February 19

(Although at the bottom on 3/20/20 it closed at 2305, down 31.9% from the all time high -- which looked like this, on a graph of the S&P 500 all the way back to 1927 or 1928 on a logarithmic scale) :



Details:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142452432#post14

I'm fascinated that the dot-com crash and the housing bubble crash look like little notches in a multi-decade history of the S&P 500, and that the 31.9% plunge from the all-time high from Feb 19 - March 20 looks so small. But this is something that averages a doubling every 9-10 years (even shorter average doubling times on a total return basis with dividends included)

Edited to add: the graph was produced with an interval setting of 1 month (otherwise it wouldn't show the entire 1928-2020 span). So that's why one doesn't see the 3386 2/19/20 close on it, for example -- so actually the 31.9% peak-to-trough plunge is longer than shown on the graph -- but not by much: 3386 would be a very tiny short distance above the 3364 line on the graph. Right click on the graph and choose Open Image in New Tab (or in New Window) to see a bigger version of the graph).

The reason for a logarithmic graph is that a positive-sloping straight line is a constant percent increase -- so for example a climb from 10 to 20 (a doubling) is the same vertical distance on such a graph as a climb from 1000 to 2000 (a doubling).
I looked into getting into equities some six+ months ago, to see if I could get a better return ... SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #1
I'm no expert MLAA Apr 2020 #2
"may/will drop their earnings" -- you probably mean will drop their dividends -- progree Apr 2020 #3
Indeed, I was trying to not sound as certain as I really am, you caught me 😊 MLAA Apr 2020 #4
Obviously. That is definitely a risk, I didn't think I had to say it, but yes, this is possible. SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #5
This is the 4th crash in my lifetime bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #6
Thank you very much. This is very helpful to me. I still haven't done anything yet, as I feel... SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #7
An interesting week of economic data coming up... progree Apr 2020 #8
Thank you for the additional information. I will keep an eye out on these indexes, claims, SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #9
On inflation-adjustment ... progree Apr 2020 #10
Very nice, thank you so much. I can do the inflation numbers myself, I'll just incorporate ... SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #11
"Your spreadsheet is amazing" - of course, of course, 😊😊😊 progree Apr 2020 #12
Thanks! Believe it or not, I'll enjoy this mental exercise if anything, plus, if I gain anything, SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #13
not happy about this news JJWdad May 2020 #14
Welcome! Alacritous Crier May 2020 #15
Cash Havens With $4.8 Trillion Fret Unthinkable Negative Returns progree May 2020 #16
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