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mike_c

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60. I don't know why you find this so hard to understand....
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 01:31 PM
Mar 2012

Last edited Fri Mar 16, 2012, 02:17 PM - Edit history (6)

Look, most full time jobs-- at least the good ones-- work something like this: you work fifty weeks or so of the year, during which you earn compensation. For those fifty weeks. That typically takes the form of salary, wages, and earned vacation time. My partner's job is exactly like that. She works year round, earns a paycheck every two weeks, and accrues vacation time so that she can take some paid time off occasionally.

Just to be clear, paid vacation leave really is pay for time not worked-- it's a benefit. It typically accrues at some rate while you work, just like paid sick leave.

My job works differently. I don't work fifty some weeks a year (well, I mostly do, but let's not confuse things by considering what I donate back to my employer). Like most teachers, my job is "part time." I "officially" work, and get paid for about 40 weeks of the year. While I'm working, I earn a salary, just like most workers. I do NOT accrue any paid vacation time, however. I do earn sick leave, should I need it, but no paid vacation at all. Zero. Zip. Nada. So I am paid for 40 weeks or so, period. That's what the state pays me for.

However, I have elected to have my 40 weeks of pay dispersed over 52 weeks, i.e. there is no three month gap in my salary because I defer some of each paycheck during those 40 weeks when I work until later, when I'm not working. It's just like putting it into a savings account for later, except that my employer keeps it for me and pays no interest. I do NOT get paid during summer for doing nothing (nor is it even remotely true that I do nothing during summer, but that's beside the point). I get paid during summer for work I did during the academic term BUT WAS NOT PAID FOR THEN.

So here's how you could make the academic calendar work for you, presuming your employer would go along, of course. First, take a 25% pay cut, because you're only going to be paid for 9 months or so instead of the full year you work now. But if you want to lessen the pain, you can still defer some of your (lower) pay during the months when you work and let your employer hold onto it for you, interest free, of course, until the weeks when you are effectively laid off so that you won't have any paycheck gaps. And you get to keep your benefits during those lay offs, too.

Franky, I love the academic calendar-- it's one of the primary reasons I've stayed in academia. Most of us don't get into this work for the money, which is sufficient for my needs but not for many folks'. But the academic calendar, which gives me two and a half months free in summer and a couple of weeks free in winter is truly a wonderful thing. Everyone should work this way, I think. But there are costs, and one of them is that we do not earn any pay during those months when school is not in session.

on edit-- Assuming you've read this far-- sorry for the long winded reply-- I wanted to address your question about whether I'm employed or unemployed during summer. The answer is that things are not quite so black and white. I am on what we call a "nine-month contract" in academic hiring, which means that I AM employed during summer, but the state is only obligated to provide me with work-- and pay-- for nine months each year. It's kind of like being BETWEEN employed and unemployed. The benefit is, well, the benefits. Since I'm still employed, I get to keep my insurance, etc during summer. But the university provides no work during summer and therefore I earn no pay.

The state recognizes this-- my contract states that I have the right to perform outside work amounting to the time commitment necessary to earn no more than 25% of my annual salary, i.e. I can do outside work for no more than roughly three months annually-- precisely the size of the hole in my regular earnings. For that purpose the state treats my summers "off" exactly like a temporary layoff, so that's the sense in which it's like being unemployed. That and not having to show up at the office, of course.

And until I earned tenure, I did indeed have to "reapply" for my job at the end of each academic year, although that was automatic and I didn't have to actually do anything unless I chose not to reapply. But until I earned tenure, I underwent annual performance reviews and was offered a continuation of my nine month contract each August, at my employer's discretion.

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You have my total admiration and support. Teachers by and large do a remarkable job and certainly teddy51 Mar 2012 #1
K/R They also don't know that we can't deduct all the supplies we buy, or realize... NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #2
I tend to do a lot of hands on projects for end of unit wrap ups demtenjeep Mar 2012 #32
A lot of teachers also bring fruit and snacks and food, secretively... NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #33
yea, I always have a stash of something to snack on demtenjeep Mar 2012 #34
Note to public: Teachers d/not get paid tax dollars f/the periods of time school is not in session. MichiganVote Mar 2012 #3
Exactly, thank you! NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #6
My husband was a teacher for 32 years. If they ever paid him for his michaz Mar 2012 #4
My wife is a teacher and what I have found to shut them up is this, gopiscrap Mar 2012 #5
Many don't even get there summers off (I know this is a matter of choice) but many go back to school teddy51 Mar 2012 #7
My wife has taken 6 summers off in 31 years of teaching gopiscrap Mar 2012 #39
teachers perform one of the if not THE dana_b Mar 2012 #8
Yes, when you average it out, it's less than other jobs. And teachers... freshwest Mar 2012 #9
These people must not have made it past 3rd grade Mopar151 Mar 2012 #10
Except that teachers don't even get paid for there 2000 hours per year. They don't get teddy51 Mar 2012 #12
The argument I have heard to that one is... liberal N proud Mar 2012 #11
Probably many actually do get an extra job in the summer to augment there income's. n/t teddy51 Mar 2012 #13
Don't listen to the ignorance. I know my brother use to be a teacher until he retired. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #14
Sorry you have to put up that stuff abelenkpe Mar 2012 #15
You might like this. progressoid Mar 2012 #16
If teachers were paid to babysit, they'd be living large Kennah Mar 2012 #17
this one? demtenjeep Mar 2012 #23
It's simple. You don't want teachers to have summers off, jerseyjack Mar 2012 #18
Sorry MJJP21 Mar 2012 #19
what a load of bullshit demtenjeep Mar 2012 #20
What a bunch of crap. kcass1954 Mar 2012 #25
Um... no. Hissyspit Mar 2012 #26
That's not how it is these days. knitter4democracy Mar 2012 #35
Since teaching is such a soft touch, sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #40
There is no tenure for teachers in Texas. mbperrin Mar 2012 #55
What everybody above me said, plus... Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #57
I regard teachers highly. Very. But face it: you get the summer off, paid. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #21
again, we get paid for 186 days demtenjeep Mar 2012 #22
UFT.org emilyg Mar 2012 #29
That's just how they divide up the checks. Depends on the way you look at it: Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #48
A whole bucket of money? Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #58
No teacher gets summer off, paid. Starry Messenger Mar 2012 #24
From UFT.org emilyg Mar 2012 #28
That's having your checks pro-rated. Starry Messenger Mar 2012 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #43
Sure it is. Summer is VACATION. Are teachers fired every year? Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #49
That is very silly. Vacation time for a worker is paid time off. Starry Messenger Mar 2012 #53
You need to talk to an actual teacher, or a seasonal worker in a different field. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #27
exactly right. I get paid 12 months for 186 days. demtenjeep Mar 2012 #31
That's like saying I'm not paid for my 4 weeks' vacation. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #50
Do you have to go to school during your 4 weeks' vacation? proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #56
so you actually DO get paid for not working yet you criticize teachers who actually DON'T.... mike_c Mar 2012 #66
If I don't work, I don't get paid. knitter4democracy Mar 2012 #36
no, teachers get summer off UNPAID.... mike_c Mar 2012 #41
So you get fired every year and have to re-apply, so that you're unemployed every summer? Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #51
Actually, in many areas teachers ARE unemployed during the summer. FBaggins Mar 2012 #54
I don't know why you find this so hard to understand.... mike_c Mar 2012 #60
Every time I've been a salaried teacher, yes. knitter4democracy Mar 2012 #67
How many jobs require unpaid HOMEWORK almost every night ? eppur_se_muova Mar 2012 #37
For the first 12 years of my career, I had to get summer jobs. Reader Rabbit Mar 2012 #38
My wife was a teacher Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #42
Ivan's Goat sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #44
182 days at 6 paid hours per day for me. montanto Mar 2012 #45
The taxpayers don't have to pay me for my summers, I just wish they'd pay me for what I do. demtenjeep Mar 2012 #46
Absolutely! montanto Mar 2012 #61
And I'd settle for a few supplies proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #62
Study: Teachers Work the Same Number of Hours as Average U.S. Worker NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #47
Well, aren't those hours as reported by teachers for work done away from school? Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #52
How much you get paid for that OT? Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #59
I sign in each morning at 6:45, and I sign out at 3:15 each afternoon. mbperrin Mar 2012 #63
sadly, some are not going to learn demtenjeep Mar 2012 #64
"Thank you for your service, demtenjeep." NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #65
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