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OKIsItJustMe

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14. I’m sorry, but you’re wrong
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 03:14 PM
Mar 2012

First: We’ve already overshot 350ppm. So, if changes start at 350ppm, they’ve already started (as I said.)


Second: 350 is not a magic figure. Temperatures were warming before we hit 350ppm.


Third: returning to 350 ppm is not magic either. James Hansen et al, did not say that if we get back to 350 ppm all will be rosy: (This is from the paper which proposed the 350 ppm target.)
http://dx.doi.org/10.2174/1874282300802010217

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We suggest an initial objective of reducing atmospheric CO[font size="1"]2[/font] to 350 ppm, with the target to be adjusted as scientific understanding and empirical evidence of climate effects accumulate. Although a case already could be made that the eventual target probably needs to be lower, the 350 ppm target is sufficient to qualitatively change the discussion and drive fundamental changes in energy policy. Limited opportunities for reduction of non-CO[font size="1"]2[/font] human-caused forcings are important to pursue but do not alter the initial 350 ppm CO[font size="1"]2[/font] target. This target must be pursued on a timescale of decades, as paleoclimate and ongoing changes, and the ocean response time, suggest that it would be foolhardy to allow CO[font size="1"]2[/font] to stay in the dangerous zone for centuries.

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The idea was that bringing levels back down to 350 ppm is a first goal, which will (in itself) require “fundamental changes in energy policy.”

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yes cindyperry2010 Mar 2012 #1
How could anyone not believe in climate change life long demo Mar 2012 #2
Climate change over time has been the norm for the entire history of the Earth slackmaster Mar 2012 #3
Human activity as a contributing factor is new. lastlib Mar 2012 #5
Anthropogenic climate change is real - and supported by the peer reviewed science jpak Mar 2012 #13
I don't deny anthropogenic climate change, but I think I see it a little differently than some slackmaster Mar 2012 #22
I believe it's happening, as predicted by the military decades ago and that we must prepare for it. freshwest Mar 2012 #4
The question is: RobertEarl Mar 2012 #6
I don’t want to be too pedantic but I feel the phrases… OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #7
Above 350 it causes change RobertEarl Mar 2012 #11
I’m sorry, but you’re wrong OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #14
I'm not wrong RobertEarl Mar 2012 #15
Yes, I am claiming otherwise OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #16
I give up with you RobertEarl Mar 2012 #17
It’s not because you’re new OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #18
Hundreds of thousands of Scientist's Rain Mcloud Mar 2012 #8
Terrible question;"Do you believe in ghosts?" "Do you believe in magic?" "Do you believe in love?" hatrack Mar 2012 #9
You don't believe in love? XemaSab Mar 2012 #10
Huey Lewis himself couldn't have phrased it better! hatrack Mar 2012 #12
This is (of course) exactly what the author was saying… OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #20
CO2 RobertEarl Mar 2012 #19
What on Earth does “Dry Ice” have to do with it? OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #21
Stop and think RobertEarl Mar 2012 #23
Because global scale changes take time, and the greenhouse effect is relatively subtle OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #24
Right there in your own post RobertEarl Mar 2012 #26
Um, what? XemaSab Mar 2012 #25
Like OK wrote RobertEarl Mar 2012 #27
Welcome to the neighborhood, but OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #28
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