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OKIsItJustMe

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16. Yes, I am claiming otherwise
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 03:38 PM
Mar 2012

We are already above 350 ppm, and have been for 20+ years. (We’re not talking about a future event here.)

Warming was already taking place before he hit 350 ppm. (We used to call it “The Greenhouse Effect.”) Dramatic changes were noted in the 70's but the warming started well before that:


Please, read what Hansen et al really said about 350 ppm:
http://dx.doi.org/10.2174/1874282300802010217

[font face=Times, Serif][font size=5]Target Atmospheric CO[font size="1"]2[/font]: Where Should Humanity Aim?[/font]

[font size=2]Abstract: Paleoclimate data show that climate sensitivity is ~3°C for doubled CO[font size="1"]2[/font], including only fast feedback processes. Equilibrium sensitivity, including slower surface albedo feedbacks, is ~6°C for doubled CO[font size="1"]2[/font] for the range of climate states between glacial conditions and ice-free Antarctica. Decreasing CO[font size="1"]2[/font] was the main cause of a cooling trend that began 50 million years ago, the planet being nearly ice-free until CO[font size="1"]2[/font] fell to 450 ± 100 ppm; barring prompt policy changes, that critical level will be passed, in the opposite direction, within decades. If humanity wishes to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed and to which life on Earth is adapted, paleoclimate evidence and ongoing climate change suggest that CO[font size="1"]2[/font] will need to be reduced from its current 385 ppm to at most 350 ppm, but likely less than that. The largest uncertainty in the target arises from possible changes of non-CO[font size="1"]2[/font] forcings. An initial 350 ppm CO[font size="1"]2[/font] target may be achievable by phasing out coal use except where CO[font size="1"]2[/font] is captured and adopting agricultural and forestry practices that sequester carbon. If the present overshoot of this target CO[font size="1"]2[/font] is not brief, there is a possibility of seeding irreversible catastrophic effects.[/font]
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yes cindyperry2010 Mar 2012 #1
How could anyone not believe in climate change life long demo Mar 2012 #2
Climate change over time has been the norm for the entire history of the Earth slackmaster Mar 2012 #3
Human activity as a contributing factor is new. lastlib Mar 2012 #5
Anthropogenic climate change is real - and supported by the peer reviewed science jpak Mar 2012 #13
I don't deny anthropogenic climate change, but I think I see it a little differently than some slackmaster Mar 2012 #22
I believe it's happening, as predicted by the military decades ago and that we must prepare for it. freshwest Mar 2012 #4
The question is: RobertEarl Mar 2012 #6
I don’t want to be too pedantic but I feel the phrases… OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #7
Above 350 it causes change RobertEarl Mar 2012 #11
I’m sorry, but you’re wrong OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #14
I'm not wrong RobertEarl Mar 2012 #15
Yes, I am claiming otherwise OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #16
I give up with you RobertEarl Mar 2012 #17
It’s not because you’re new OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #18
Hundreds of thousands of Scientist's Rain Mcloud Mar 2012 #8
Terrible question;"Do you believe in ghosts?" "Do you believe in magic?" "Do you believe in love?" hatrack Mar 2012 #9
You don't believe in love? XemaSab Mar 2012 #10
Huey Lewis himself couldn't have phrased it better! hatrack Mar 2012 #12
This is (of course) exactly what the author was saying… OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #20
CO2 RobertEarl Mar 2012 #19
What on Earth does “Dry Ice” have to do with it? OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #21
Stop and think RobertEarl Mar 2012 #23
Because global scale changes take time, and the greenhouse effect is relatively subtle OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #24
Right there in your own post RobertEarl Mar 2012 #26
Um, what? XemaSab Mar 2012 #25
Like OK wrote RobertEarl Mar 2012 #27
Welcome to the neighborhood, but OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #28
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