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OKIsItJustMe

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24. Because global scale changes take time, and the greenhouse effect is relatively subtle
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 04:56 PM
Mar 2012

I don’t see your point.

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5775

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WW: Some scientists have argued that we have already reached tipping points in some regions of the world. Do you agree? If so, what are they and can we avoid them?

JH: We need to distinguish tipping level and the point of no return, as explained in our new “Target CO2” paper. The tipping level is the level of greenhouse gases that will lead to large, undesirable, even disastrous, effects. We have reached the tipping level for several important effects. That is why we must go back in CO2 amounts at least to 350 ppm and possibly lower. The point of no return is when the dynamics of the process take over and it is out of our control, we cannot stop it, e.g., the ice sheet from disintegrating, because of positive feedback and warming in the pipeline. Some phenomena have enough inertia that we can afford some overshoot of the safe CO2 level, provided that we get back to a lower amount fast enough. The ice sheets and sea level may be in that category. Unfortunately, Arctic sea ice has reached the point where we are going to lose all of the warm season ice within the next few decades.

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The excess CO[font size="1"]2[/font] which is currently in the atmosphere will continue to trap heat, and the Earth will continue to warm, until (presumably) a new equilibrium is established.

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2012/20120127_CowardsPart1.pdf
[font face=Times, Times New Roman, Serif][font size=3]Global warming due to human-made gases, mainly CO[font size="1"]2[/font], is already 0.8°C and deleterious climate impacts are growing worldwide. More warming is "in the pipeline" because Earth is out of energy balance, with absorbed solar energy exceeding planetary heat radiation. Maintaining a climate that resembles the Holocene, the world of stable shorelines in which civilization developed, requires rapidly reducing fossil fuel CO[font size="1"]2[/font] emissions. Such a scenario is economically sensible and has multiple benefits for humanity and other species. Yet fossil fuel extraction is expanding, including highly carbon-intensive sources that can push the climate system beyond tipping points such that amplifying feedbacks drive further climate change that is practically out of humanity's control. This situation raises profound moral issues as young people, future generations, and nature, with no possibility of protecting their future well-being, will bear the principal consequences of actions and inactions of today's adults.[/font][/font]

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yes cindyperry2010 Mar 2012 #1
How could anyone not believe in climate change life long demo Mar 2012 #2
Climate change over time has been the norm for the entire history of the Earth slackmaster Mar 2012 #3
Human activity as a contributing factor is new. lastlib Mar 2012 #5
Anthropogenic climate change is real - and supported by the peer reviewed science jpak Mar 2012 #13
I don't deny anthropogenic climate change, but I think I see it a little differently than some slackmaster Mar 2012 #22
I believe it's happening, as predicted by the military decades ago and that we must prepare for it. freshwest Mar 2012 #4
The question is: RobertEarl Mar 2012 #6
I don’t want to be too pedantic but I feel the phrases… OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #7
Above 350 it causes change RobertEarl Mar 2012 #11
I’m sorry, but you’re wrong OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #14
I'm not wrong RobertEarl Mar 2012 #15
Yes, I am claiming otherwise OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #16
I give up with you RobertEarl Mar 2012 #17
It’s not because you’re new OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #18
Hundreds of thousands of Scientist's Rain Mcloud Mar 2012 #8
Terrible question;"Do you believe in ghosts?" "Do you believe in magic?" "Do you believe in love?" hatrack Mar 2012 #9
You don't believe in love? XemaSab Mar 2012 #10
Huey Lewis himself couldn't have phrased it better! hatrack Mar 2012 #12
This is (of course) exactly what the author was saying… OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #20
CO2 RobertEarl Mar 2012 #19
What on Earth does “Dry Ice” have to do with it? OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #21
Stop and think RobertEarl Mar 2012 #23
Because global scale changes take time, and the greenhouse effect is relatively subtle OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #24
Right there in your own post RobertEarl Mar 2012 #26
Um, what? XemaSab Mar 2012 #25
Like OK wrote RobertEarl Mar 2012 #27
Welcome to the neighborhood, but OKIsItJustMe Mar 2012 #28
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