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GliderGuider

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15. Nothing is going to get us there.

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:08 AM

Jun 2016

Nothing. Not refraining from having kids, not planting trees, not moving low-carbon energy, not changing our economic system, not changing our political system, not sitting in circles meditating, drumming and singing Kumbaya.

We have just over 485 ppm CO2eq in the air at this point, and it's going to stay there until we stop burning fossil fuels - which will happen once the world population has crashed by 75% - which will happen due to climate-induced food and water supply disruptions, pandemics and a global economic collapse.

I've accepted that civilization as a coherent, quasi-global system is not going to survive more than another 30 years. I'm mostly against bringing yet more innocent, defenseless children into the maelstrom of disintegration.

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Do you REALLY want to help fight climate change? [View all] GliderGuider May 2016 OP

I highly, highly doubt those numbers. 20+ years in alternative and renewable fuel experience here. tonyt53 May 2016 #1

It obviously depends on the date the calculations are pinned to. GliderGuider May 2016 #2

This is nonsense OKIsItJustMe May 2016 #3

Why do we need a time machine? GliderGuider May 2016 #4

We need < 350 ppm CO₂. This will not get us there OKIsItJustMe May 2016 #12

Nothing is going to get us there. GliderGuider Jun 2016 #15

That�s a different concern� OKIsItJustMe Jun 2016 #17

What should we pretend will address climate change? GliderGuider Jun 2016 #19

�� a snowball's chance in Congress� OKIsItJustMe Jun 2016 #20

I don't actually think population control will do it. GliderGuider Jun 2016 #21

As I see it OKIsItJustMe Jun 2016 #22

Yes, that's how I see it too. GliderGuider Jun 2016 #23

Boy this would really piss off some one who wanted to be planet conscious and eat meat sue4e3 Jun 2016 #16

Yes, GliderGuider Jun 2016 #18

Logic. Use it. nt thereismore Jun 2016 #26

We're not quite the collective yet The2ndWheel May 2016 #5

This individualism is also reflected in the sovereign rights of nations GliderGuider May 2016 #6

"Why do people today have to pay for what other people previously did?" Boomer May 2016 #7

"Back hole"! Stanhope was cool until he said that. Duppers May 2016 #8

I don't think Stanhope really gives a fuck about offending people. GliderGuider May 2016 #9

Obviously. And i knew that. Duppers May 2016 #10

No worries. GliderGuider May 2016 #11

Exactly, leave the stupid, ignorant and uncaring to have the children Fumesucker Jun 2016 #13

It's not going to make any difference at this point who has the children. GliderGuider Jun 2016 #14

Kinda funny now! sylvanus Jun 2016 #24

There's a wise person behind that handle! GliderGuider Jun 2016 #25