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longship

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2. As usual, public opinion lags the science
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 05:38 PM
Apr 2012

I am not trying to be provocative here. But I don't see how we can solve the energy/global climate equation without nuclear power.

It was climate change that changed my mind about nuclear power. And the Japanese nuclear disaster hasn't changed my mind, but now with qualifications.

There are some upcoming nuclear technologies which can solve the problems. One in particular is mentioned in the article, modular reactors, which are small, encapsulated modules related to those used in interplanetary space probes. These can operate safely for decades with zero maintenance, as has been aptly demonstrated by the Voyager and Pioneer spacecraft. This is a technology which can help. Unfortunately, it suffers from the one big issue that all nuclear power systems so far exhibit, What the fuck do you do with the waste? To say nothing about there's the issue of refining the waste for weaponry.

That may be solved by liquid thorium reactors which basically can solve both issues.

The bottom line is that it is going to take (as Bob Novella might say) an investment of billions of dollars into alternative power sources. I don't know how you do it without nuclear.

Some will disagree here. But solar, wind, and many other techs are transient (no solar at night). Unless battery tech experiences huge advances, storage is in big trouble. Hydrogen is a possible solution, not as a source (which it isn't -- don't get me started here), but as a storage media. Unfortunately, hydrogen requires a rather large change in infrastructure. Not very practical in the short term.

The solution to the energy problem and global climate is funding for primary science research. One thing is certain. New science will help us solve these problems.

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obsolete technology. end our obsession with war and go alternative energy big time nt msongs Apr 2012 #1
As usual, public opinion lags the science longship Apr 2012 #2
Why do you think we need nuclear power... kristopher Apr 2012 #3
Several reasons longship Apr 2012 #4
So you believe in "The Baseload Myth"? kristopher Apr 2012 #6
Okay! How do you store energy? longship Apr 2012 #9
You say "this is basic science"? kristopher Apr 2012 #10
Jesus Christ! You still don't understand real time demand! longship Apr 2012 #13
I understand real time demand extremely well. kristopher Apr 2012 #15
You don't understand the main issue here longship Apr 2012 #18
I told you the answer - it is the same answer we use now, a grid. kristopher Apr 2012 #20
Where is the fucking storage in this fucking grid? longship Apr 2012 #21
I asked where you are getting your information kristopher Apr 2012 #22
Okay, let's assume that longship Apr 2012 #25
You clearly do not "hate nuclear power" kristopher Apr 2012 #26
What forms of renewable energy do you have at your house? XemaSab Apr 2012 #33
I agree that we will need nuclear power johnd83 Apr 2012 #5
Agreed. Nuke power tech is antiquated. longship Apr 2012 #7
They have been researched. kristopher Apr 2012 #8
Agreed in practice, but not in principle longship Apr 2012 #11
Thorium has a host of its own problems kristopher Apr 2012 #12
That is precisely why we need To fund research longship Apr 2012 #16
Solar and wind do not have to do it alone kristopher Apr 2012 #19
Propaganda? longship Apr 2012 #23
You aren't quoting science, you are quoting propaganda. kristopher Apr 2012 #24
You obviously do not want to have a meaningful discussion longship Apr 2012 #27
You aren't engaging in a discussion. kristopher Apr 2012 #28
These are my view of the facts. Tell me where I am mistaken. longship Apr 2012 #29
I've already answered that... kristopher Apr 2012 #30
Blah, blah, blah, blah longship Apr 2012 #31
The current grid operates almost entirely on stored energy... kristopher Apr 2012 #32
The fucking grid does not store power longship Apr 2012 #34
And yet you DO RECOMMEND AND ENDORSE NUCLEAR kristopher Apr 2012 #35
That's enough longship Apr 2012 #36
That's a lot easier than actually addressing the information... kristopher Apr 2012 #37
Voyager is not really a good example johnd83 Apr 2012 #14
the real problem is the enormous cost... of nuclear energy kristopher Apr 2012 #17
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