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kristopher

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17. the real problem is the enormous cost... of nuclear energy
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:03 PM
Apr 2012

You guess it is impossible to completely eliminate all accidents? So do I. In fact with the aging fleet major accidents are almost certain to become more frequent.

As for cost...

Nuclear Power Decisions Will Determine Much.
Though nuclear power may seem a limited issue -- related only to energy, and only one of several energy sources at that -- the decision whether to pursue nuclear power may prove to be the most important decision now before world leaders. Consider the following:

1) Capital Needs. Expanding nuclear power requires enormous amounts of capital, For instance, some members of the U.S. Congress have said the U.S. should build 100 more new nuclear power plants. Yet, building 100 new nuclear power plants would require a capital investment of at least one trillion dollars, and this would still meet only only a fraction of U.S. energy requirements. In the throes of a world financial crisis, will economies have the resources to devote such enormous resources to just one industry? Where will the funds come from? Will other energy priorities such as energy efficiency, the Smart Grid, and expansion of renewables be eclipsed by nuclear power's needs? Even more broadly, is it ethical or wise to devote so much of an economy's total resources to just electricity production? For instance, do we really want the elderly who now struggle to pay $100/month electric bills to now have to find a way to pay $200/month? Or, would it be better to limit the share of resources devoted to electricity by helping electric customers cut their usage? Also, on the societal level, capital is limited. In many developed countries key needs such as roads and bridges, public water and sewer systems, basic scientific research and development, and schools are all falling into decay because of a lack of capital investment. In developing countries, these key infrastructures are not yet even in place.

2) Climate Change. Amory Lovins of the Rocky Mountain Institute has said for many years that the pursuit of nuclear power will make climate change worse -- because adopting it as a climate protection strategy simply won't work. It will be too expensive and too slow to get the job done. This would not be such a disaster (many things don't work) if nuclear power didn't take all the money away from doing the things that actually do work. Also, as Dr. Benjamin Sovacool of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy published here in 2008, nuclear power "is in no way carbon free or emissions free" even though it is better than coal, oil, or natural gas. Because of carbon emissions needed for uranium mining and milling, uranium enrichment etc., Dr. Sovacool concluded after reviewng 103 studies on the topic, that nuclear power produces significantly more emissions than renewable energy technologies. Putting most of your money into a technology that is more costly, slower, and less effective is a strategy for failure -- and climate change is an issue where the world cannot afford to fail.

3) Employment. Finding a solution to crippling unemployment is now an urgent matter for many countries. We cannot "stimulate" forever -- it is crucial that limited capital resources are invested most effectively. Investments in efficiency and renewables will create more jobs than investing in new nuclear power plants. The jobs created in new nuclear power are so highly technical there may not even be a trained nuclear work force available to fill those jobs. As reported by the World Nuclear Industry Status Report 2009, the nuclear industry is already facing critical shortages of the nuclear engineers needed to keep today's existing fleets of nuclear power plants operating safely, let alone having the added staff needed to expand. It is not nuclear engineers who are out of work -- there aren't even enough ot them -- but the construction workers we all know in our own families and communities. Jobs are needed in every community, not just a few concentrated locations where a massive new power plant may be built. Efficiency and distributed power sources spread more new jobs, to those who need them, in more places.

4) Economic Dependence. America, most of Europe except Russia, and in fact most countries of the world other than oil exporting nations are all suffering from a major drain on their economies due to the need to pay for imported energy. Nuclear power won't help most countries become energy independent, because only a handful of nations in the world possess significant uranium resources. Nuclear power is actually just another form of imported energy. Is it wise for a country to invest tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in new power plants that depend on fuel imports from often unstable countries, and countries within the former Soviet sphere of influence? Efficiency and renewables (and for some nations natural gas) utilize a country's own resources. Keeping dollars from leaving a country can create just as much economic activity as bringing new dollars in.

5) Military Security. America and the EU nations have invested major military resources to protect access to imported oil. Nuclear power does little or nothing to reduce oil dependence to lessen the need for the military resources devoted to oil. Far worse, however, is that nuclear power creates stark new military security threats of its own that may require investment of major military resources to keep terrorists and weapons-intent countries from building nuclear weapons. Nuclear power grew out of the nuclear weapons program, and the nuclear fuel cycle still produces the elements -- uranium and plutonium -- which can be used to make nuclear weapons or radioactive "dirty bombs". The nuclear industry argues that any nation or terrorist does not need a nuclear power plant to make a bomb, they just need uranium enrichment. This is true. However, the only "legitimate" reason to enrich uranium is to use it in a nuclear power plant. The continued promotion and sale worldwide of "civilian" nuclear reactors thus gives nations the excuse to operate uranium enrichment programs, as we have seen in Iran. In addition to this looming threat of new nuclear states, an even more frightening prospect is that weapons grade material will fall into the hands of terrorists. Terrorists are not deterred by Mutually Assured Destruction as are nuclear states. Some nations are separating out the plutonium from spent nuclear fuel and mixing it into new fuel, and also stockpiling huge quantities of plutonium. The unused fuel containing plutonium is shipped to nuclear plants, making it vulnerable to attack in transport. The large plutonium stockpiles may also be attacked with the purpose of either seizing the material for bomb making or contamination of populations with radiation. Western nuclear plants cannot explode with an atomic Hiroshima-style blast. However, the continued sale and use of nuclear power plants may allow those intent on creating such horrendous destruction to gain access to exactly the materials they need.

Nuclear Power Makes No Business Sense...


http://energyeconomyonline.com/GPPI_Nuclear_Conference.html

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obsolete technology. end our obsession with war and go alternative energy big time nt msongs Apr 2012 #1
As usual, public opinion lags the science longship Apr 2012 #2
Why do you think we need nuclear power... kristopher Apr 2012 #3
Several reasons longship Apr 2012 #4
So you believe in "The Baseload Myth"? kristopher Apr 2012 #6
Okay! How do you store energy? longship Apr 2012 #9
You say "this is basic science"? kristopher Apr 2012 #10
Jesus Christ! You still don't understand real time demand! longship Apr 2012 #13
I understand real time demand extremely well. kristopher Apr 2012 #15
You don't understand the main issue here longship Apr 2012 #18
I told you the answer - it is the same answer we use now, a grid. kristopher Apr 2012 #20
Where is the fucking storage in this fucking grid? longship Apr 2012 #21
I asked where you are getting your information kristopher Apr 2012 #22
Okay, let's assume that longship Apr 2012 #25
You clearly do not "hate nuclear power" kristopher Apr 2012 #26
What forms of renewable energy do you have at your house? XemaSab Apr 2012 #33
I agree that we will need nuclear power johnd83 Apr 2012 #5
Agreed. Nuke power tech is antiquated. longship Apr 2012 #7
They have been researched. kristopher Apr 2012 #8
Agreed in practice, but not in principle longship Apr 2012 #11
Thorium has a host of its own problems kristopher Apr 2012 #12
That is precisely why we need To fund research longship Apr 2012 #16
Solar and wind do not have to do it alone kristopher Apr 2012 #19
Propaganda? longship Apr 2012 #23
You aren't quoting science, you are quoting propaganda. kristopher Apr 2012 #24
You obviously do not want to have a meaningful discussion longship Apr 2012 #27
You aren't engaging in a discussion. kristopher Apr 2012 #28
These are my view of the facts. Tell me where I am mistaken. longship Apr 2012 #29
I've already answered that... kristopher Apr 2012 #30
Blah, blah, blah, blah longship Apr 2012 #31
The current grid operates almost entirely on stored energy... kristopher Apr 2012 #32
The fucking grid does not store power longship Apr 2012 #34
And yet you DO RECOMMEND AND ENDORSE NUCLEAR kristopher Apr 2012 #35
That's enough longship Apr 2012 #36
That's a lot easier than actually addressing the information... kristopher Apr 2012 #37
Voyager is not really a good example johnd83 Apr 2012 #14
the real problem is the enormous cost... of nuclear energy kristopher Apr 2012 #17
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