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longship

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29. These are my view of the facts. Tell me where I am mistaken.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:14 AM
Apr 2012

Fact: solar energy provides power only when the sun shines, and only when there is no overcast. All other times there has to be another form of energy generation.

Fact: wind power is dependent on the wind blowing. There are areas where this happens a lot. But outside Palm Springs the wind generators cover the landscape on almost every hilltop. I've been by there on the highway many times, rarely are the wind generators spinning. That's anecdotal evidence but still, it illustrates that wind power ain't what it's marketed to be.

In order to supply energy 24/7 to the planet we need sources that are not subject to the vagaries of the sunset or the local weather patterns. Obviously we need sources which will supply power regardless of these variances.

Solar and wind can obviously contribute a huge amount to our nation's energy needs. In fact, theoretically they can easily supply all of it. Unfortunately, neither one is 24/7. That's a problem. The current electrical grid has no way to store electricity during off peak times for use when it is needed at peak times. If I am wrong about that I would gladly recant.

Therefore, the only conclusion one can come to is that either one has to have additional generating power (hopefully non-carbon emitting), or one has to have the ability to store the energy during off peak hours for use later.

It's a fucking zero sum game which you can not argue against.

You choose. How are you going to solve the problem? Okay, you don't like nuclear power -- I don't either. But either you're going to generate the power or you're going to be able to store it for later. There really is no alternative. I never claimed that we have to have nuclear, I only claim that it's a carbon neutral source that is useful now. New reactors will be safer than Fukushima, Three Mile Island, and certainly Chernoble. There is plenty of research that will provide safer nuclear sources. The big problem is what the fuck do you do with the waste??? But if that can be solved we have an energy future that is carbon neutral, a goal which we all can agree on.

I am not so much of a nuke power advocate as I am an advocate to do whatever we can to stop the spiral of global climate change, which (if you haven't been paying attention) will have a far more profound effect on the planet than nuclear power. But, again, I don't like nuclear. I just don't see any alternatives that don't screw up the climate, which is a much larger problem. I would welcome a discussion on that, as well.

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obsolete technology. end our obsession with war and go alternative energy big time nt msongs Apr 2012 #1
As usual, public opinion lags the science longship Apr 2012 #2
Why do you think we need nuclear power... kristopher Apr 2012 #3
Several reasons longship Apr 2012 #4
So you believe in "The Baseload Myth"? kristopher Apr 2012 #6
Okay! How do you store energy? longship Apr 2012 #9
You say "this is basic science"? kristopher Apr 2012 #10
Jesus Christ! You still don't understand real time demand! longship Apr 2012 #13
I understand real time demand extremely well. kristopher Apr 2012 #15
You don't understand the main issue here longship Apr 2012 #18
I told you the answer - it is the same answer we use now, a grid. kristopher Apr 2012 #20
Where is the fucking storage in this fucking grid? longship Apr 2012 #21
I asked where you are getting your information kristopher Apr 2012 #22
Okay, let's assume that longship Apr 2012 #25
You clearly do not "hate nuclear power" kristopher Apr 2012 #26
What forms of renewable energy do you have at your house? XemaSab Apr 2012 #33
I agree that we will need nuclear power johnd83 Apr 2012 #5
Agreed. Nuke power tech is antiquated. longship Apr 2012 #7
They have been researched. kristopher Apr 2012 #8
Agreed in practice, but not in principle longship Apr 2012 #11
Thorium has a host of its own problems kristopher Apr 2012 #12
That is precisely why we need To fund research longship Apr 2012 #16
Solar and wind do not have to do it alone kristopher Apr 2012 #19
Propaganda? longship Apr 2012 #23
You aren't quoting science, you are quoting propaganda. kristopher Apr 2012 #24
You obviously do not want to have a meaningful discussion longship Apr 2012 #27
You aren't engaging in a discussion. kristopher Apr 2012 #28
These are my view of the facts. Tell me where I am mistaken. longship Apr 2012 #29
I've already answered that... kristopher Apr 2012 #30
Blah, blah, blah, blah longship Apr 2012 #31
The current grid operates almost entirely on stored energy... kristopher Apr 2012 #32
The fucking grid does not store power longship Apr 2012 #34
And yet you DO RECOMMEND AND ENDORSE NUCLEAR kristopher Apr 2012 #35
That's enough longship Apr 2012 #36
That's a lot easier than actually addressing the information... kristopher Apr 2012 #37
Voyager is not really a good example johnd83 Apr 2012 #14
the real problem is the enormous cost... of nuclear energy kristopher Apr 2012 #17
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