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longship

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34. The fucking grid does not store power
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:20 AM
Apr 2012

If you cannot understand that, then you cannot understand why transient power sources like solar, wind, and many other alternative energy sources cannot be the total solution.

Read my fucking lips! I do not like nuclear energy. With a degree in physics I know the issues involved. I especially know what radiation can do. I am not saying that nuclear energy must be necessary, but rather that I think that it might be a good idea to research these new nuclear power technologies with the goal to provide a carbon neutral source of power which we will need regardless of solar, wind, or other transient sources.

The only alternative to a new carbon neutral source is either dirty sources, like coal (oil, gas, etc.), or to be able to store the energy so that we have 24/7 coverage or so that it can be used asynchronously to when it was generated. It's a zero sum game. There are no alternatives, my friend.

So the only choices are, learn how to store it or generate it so it's always available.

We cannot yet store it and smart grid will never pass the Republican House. So, my friend, Whatta ya gonna do?

The only alternative if you care about global warming is to implement non-carbon sources. That is the only reason why I would ever recommend nuclear. Do you fucking understand me now?

I am sorry for being profane. But I feel like a stuck record here. My purpose in posting here was to shed some light on a particularly knotty technological topic. You as much as accused me of being a shill for the nuclear power industry, a blatant personal attack.

I find this colloquy to be going nowhere since you seem to see me as an opponent, which I am assuredly not. If you can't have a reasonable argument, than I have nothing more to say to you. I have made my position clear; it is the best I can do. If you do not agree and do not want to listen to reasoned argument; or do not want to hear anything contrary to your beliefs, than there's nothing more I can say here.

Go in peace, my friend.

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obsolete technology. end our obsession with war and go alternative energy big time nt msongs Apr 2012 #1
As usual, public opinion lags the science longship Apr 2012 #2
Why do you think we need nuclear power... kristopher Apr 2012 #3
Several reasons longship Apr 2012 #4
So you believe in "The Baseload Myth"? kristopher Apr 2012 #6
Okay! How do you store energy? longship Apr 2012 #9
You say "this is basic science"? kristopher Apr 2012 #10
Jesus Christ! You still don't understand real time demand! longship Apr 2012 #13
I understand real time demand extremely well. kristopher Apr 2012 #15
You don't understand the main issue here longship Apr 2012 #18
I told you the answer - it is the same answer we use now, a grid. kristopher Apr 2012 #20
Where is the fucking storage in this fucking grid? longship Apr 2012 #21
I asked where you are getting your information kristopher Apr 2012 #22
Okay, let's assume that longship Apr 2012 #25
You clearly do not "hate nuclear power" kristopher Apr 2012 #26
What forms of renewable energy do you have at your house? XemaSab Apr 2012 #33
I agree that we will need nuclear power johnd83 Apr 2012 #5
Agreed. Nuke power tech is antiquated. longship Apr 2012 #7
They have been researched. kristopher Apr 2012 #8
Agreed in practice, but not in principle longship Apr 2012 #11
Thorium has a host of its own problems kristopher Apr 2012 #12
That is precisely why we need To fund research longship Apr 2012 #16
Solar and wind do not have to do it alone kristopher Apr 2012 #19
Propaganda? longship Apr 2012 #23
You aren't quoting science, you are quoting propaganda. kristopher Apr 2012 #24
You obviously do not want to have a meaningful discussion longship Apr 2012 #27
You aren't engaging in a discussion. kristopher Apr 2012 #28
These are my view of the facts. Tell me where I am mistaken. longship Apr 2012 #29
I've already answered that... kristopher Apr 2012 #30
Blah, blah, blah, blah longship Apr 2012 #31
The current grid operates almost entirely on stored energy... kristopher Apr 2012 #32
The fucking grid does not store power longship Apr 2012 #34
And yet you DO RECOMMEND AND ENDORSE NUCLEAR kristopher Apr 2012 #35
That's enough longship Apr 2012 #36
That's a lot easier than actually addressing the information... kristopher Apr 2012 #37
Voyager is not really a good example johnd83 Apr 2012 #14
the real problem is the enormous cost... of nuclear energy kristopher Apr 2012 #17
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