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In reply to the discussion: Why (baseload) generators are terrified of solar [View all]kristopher
(29,798 posts)46. What do you mean "general pricing in Germany"
The OP is nothing more or less than what it purports to be - an accurate example of "the merit order effect and the impact that solar is having on electricity prices in Germany"
Trying to dismiss it as being in some way false or misleading is bullshit.
Here is a pair of graphs that demonstrate most vividly the merit order effect and the impact that solar is having on electricity prices in Germany; and why utilities there and elsewhere are desperate to try to reign in the growth of solar PV in Europe. It may also explain why Australian generators are fighting so hard against the extension of feed-in tariffs in this country.
The first graph illustrates what a typical day on the electricity market in Germany looked like in March four years ago; the second illustrates what is happening now, with 25GW of solar PV installed across the country. Essentially, it means that solar PV is not just licking the cream off the profits of the fossil fuel generators as happens in Australia with a more modest rollout of PV it is in fact eating their entire cake.
The first graph illustrates what a typical day on the electricity market in Germany looked like in March four years ago; the second illustrates what is happening now, with 25GW of solar PV installed across the country. Essentially, it means that solar PV is not just licking the cream off the profits of the fossil fuel generators as happens in Australia with a more modest rollout of PV it is in fact eating their entire cake.
Trying to dismiss it as being in some way false or misleading is bullshit.
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So Solar PV needs to be PV + Conservation programs + ? to meet/beat AND reduce demand?
patrice
Apr 2012
#3
How does the current explosion in manufacturing capacity disprove the OP's thesis?
kristopher
Apr 2012
#7
How does the current explosion in manufacturing capacity disprove the OP's thesis?
kristopher
Apr 2012
#9
Yes the homeowners and the local communities who are getting that money are pretty happy
kristopher
Apr 2012
#14
So you think people should be forced to live around nuclear plants they believe are unsafe?
kristopher
Apr 2012
#28
See, I think you come off as someone who is more motivated by being anti-nuclear
XemaSab
Apr 2012
#72
Your posts lack specificity, don't blame me for your sloppy communication skills.
kristopher
Apr 2012
#44
Their claim "what is happening now" is not the graphic I see on any given day today.
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#47
No, I am not. If that graphic was representive of overall pricing between 2008 and 2012...
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#61
I'm very sure your self deleted comment to wraith is not relevant to our conversation.
kristopher
Apr 2012
#77
In a discussion specifically about sources of generation being put under pricing pressure
kristopher
Apr 2012
#96
The article does actually weasel around consumer pricing with capitalism verbiage.
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#99
The OP makes claims about "the impact that solar is having on electricity prices in Germany."
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#75
The OP supports the claims it makes as opposed to the strawman you are creating
kristopher
Apr 2012
#78
You're a liar when it comes to accusing me of having a "quest to protect the nuclear industry."
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#82
You consistently take positions that further the agenda of the nuclear industry.
kristopher
Apr 2012
#85
I take a position against misrepresentations in text. I take positions against being fooled.
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#86
What is the actual mechanism by which nuclear power shuts down a coal plant?
kristopher
Apr 2012
#118
So you do not want to shut down coal plants and you want to expand energy consumption.
kristopher
Apr 2012
#124
Remarkable! You accuse me of "not answering" when I've waited 2 days for your reply.
kristopher
Apr 2012
#126
You had your chance to talk about it like a grown-up kris. You chose the way of...
Dead_Parrot
Apr 2012
#130
Just to demonstrate how long this same conversation has been going on... nt
kristopher
Feb 2013
#136