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John ONeill

(60 posts)
18. Are renewables useful ?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 08:26 AM
Jul 2018

I think Nnadir is correct, that renewables - intermittent ones, anyway - are a mere distraction, and will make decarbonisation more difficult. Some of the newer high-temperature reactor designs will provide their output heat as molten nitrate salts, ' solar salt ', on the grounds that this can be stored in insulated tanks at times of low power demand, then used to power turbines with several times the reactors' nameplate output, when demand is high. This, it's claimed, will allow the reactor to fill in the gaps left by solar and wind. But solar and wind can have such long periods of low power, especially in winter, that in effect you'd have to have the reactors capable of handling the whole load anyway - just as coal and gas do now. If nuclear can do the job alone, and wind and solar can't, why waste money on unreliables ?

Solar is just getting started. True disruption to other sources is not in our lifetime. Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #1
Yeah. I know. Solar has been "just getting started" since 1954. NNadir Jul 2018 #3
Uh, first it is an ad and so hyperbole is par. Second, it is one battery. See no claim it is going Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #8
So is climate change NickB79 Jul 2018 #11
Tired of this crap. Eko Jul 2018 #2
I got the same Strawman! Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #9
So this is the convincing part of your arguent... sfwriter Jul 2018 #4
'I don't see anyone choosing renewable over nuclear. They choose renewable over coal.' John ONeill Jul 2018 #12
I thought the thread concerned the US market. sfwriter Jul 2018 #14
By your logic... NNadir Jul 2018 #15
Move to China ... GeorgeGist Jul 2018 #5
Actually, I love my country and despise the morons who are making it unsafe... NNadir Jul 2018 #6
I am actually with you on nuclear. Pocket nuclear plants today, without being a expert, seem Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #10
Thank you for your civil and kind suggestion about an approach to, um, "getting my point across." NNadir Jul 2018 #13
Thank you for the response, I am truly flattered, as much as I can be given my resistance to Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #16
Are renewables useful ? John ONeill Jul 2018 #18
Word...Battery...once the power density storage efficiency reaches a certain point, all the energy Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #19
I do recognize that it is difficult for bourgeois liberals to see so called "renewable energy..." NNadir Jul 2018 #20
Laos dam collapse: Many feared dead as floods hit villages hunter Jul 2018 #21
Improvement comes from criticism. JayhawkSD Jul 2018 #7
To the extent this displaces the typical Chinese coal fired power plant... hunter Jul 2018 #17
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