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NNadir

(33,512 posts)
32. I'm very happy for your personal story.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 07:20 PM
Oct 2018

It's bullshit that scientific publications are "myths created by the fossil fuel companies," but if you wish to claim that buying a car makes you an expert in the source of electricity on the planet, there's very little I can do to contradict this view by which you justify your consumption to yourself.

Every year, the International Energy Agency publishes a report on the world's energy sources:

IEA 2017 World Energy Outlook.

The next one comes out in November. I read every issue. You?

I'm certainly in no position to contradict your nonsense statements, but I did post a link to a, um, scientific publication showing that in China, where coal is king, the death toll associated with electric cars is higher than that of electric cars.

China, I note, citing that publication has 100 million electric vehicles. Here it is again:

Electric Vehicles in China: Emissions and Health Impacts (Cherry et al, Environ. Sci. Technol., 2012, 46 (4), pp 2018–2024)

A map of air pollution deaths in China can be found in this paper:

Nature: China's annual air pollution deaths now stand at 1.4 million per year.



Nature 525, 367–371 (17 September 2015)

I'm certainly in no position to educate you; but I really question which one of us is awash in marketing hype. I would suggest you look into the laws of thermodynamics, but in lieu of that, maybe you can watch one of that idiot Elon Musk's ads showing wind turbines (bird and bat grinders) in the back ground.

As for the question of whether or not you are a rich person, I wrote extensively some time ago about people who live on less than $1 dollar a day:

Current Energy Demand; Ethical Energy Demand; Depleted Uranium and the Centuries to Come

Maybe you don't know what "rich" is but I'm certainly not willing to approve of subsidizing your car when there are children in inner city schools who lack textbooks that might allow them, if not you, the opportunity to learn the laws of thermodyamics.

I saw somewhere that one of Rupert Murdoch's kids was going to be Tesla's new chairman... RockRaven Oct 2018 #1
Wonder if it's GM or Ford or both contributing to his campaign fund? brush Oct 2018 #2
0. Republican introduces new bill to end the $7,500 federal tax credit for electric cars and tax the Wyatt513 Oct 2018 #3
In other words, force people to be rich enough to buy electric cars? progree Oct 2018 #4
Only rich people can afford electric cars now Wyatt513 Oct 2018 #5
How does taxing gas so everyone is forced to buy a car that "only rich people can afford" help? uppityperson Oct 2018 #6
People not using our/fossil fuel Wyatt513 Oct 2018 #7
Citing The Daily Caller, a climate change denier? Brother Buzz Oct 2018 #8
Doncha know? The Daily Caller is the poor peoples' friend ROFLMFAO. n/t progree Oct 2018 #9
Well what do you deem appropriate? Wyatt513 Oct 2018 #10
That piece is an honest assessment of the UN position Brother Buzz Oct 2018 #12
So you think the way to combate man made climate change Wyatt513 Oct 2018 #13
Industry is responsible for about 85 percent of total greenhouse gases Brother Buzz Oct 2018 #16
What about subsiding poor people so they can buy electric cars? uppityperson Oct 2018 #11
A $7,000 subsidize is just for rich people Wyatt513 Oct 2018 #14
What about subsidizing so poor people can buy electric cars? uppityperson Oct 2018 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author mahina Oct 2018 #29
To begin with - raising the gas tax is political suicide - straight from a congressional staffer Finishline42 Oct 2018 #24
See, that is the crux of the problem. MichMan Oct 2018 #27
It doesn't matter a whit. This subsidy for rich people has nothing to do with the environment. NNadir Oct 2018 #15
Can you please quantitatively compare the primary fuel in BTU used to power an electric car progree Oct 2018 #18
Well, I don't get my science from articles in Forbes, nor do I credit the idea of ignoring... NNadir Oct 2018 #19
On externalities - any "science" article that applies to the U.S., instead of China? progree Oct 2018 #21
I said I was being generous at 90% for all of the conversions, but what does it matter? NNadir Oct 2018 #22
Some insights into why I perhaps myopically focus on the U.S. progree Oct 2018 #23
OK. Everyone should do what they can; clearly you are; but I hope... NNadir Oct 2018 #25
I think you might have a misunderstanding... NeoGreen Oct 2018 #20
I'm not rich and that subsidy helped me afford an electric car tinrobot Oct 2018 #31
I'm very happy for your personal story. NNadir Oct 2018 #32
100 million electric vehicles? Where did you get that? tinrobot Oct 2018 #33
He likes to throw numbers around to confuse the subject Finishline42 Oct 2018 #34
these are the same people that killed the electric street car in the 40s AllaN01Bear Oct 2018 #26
They must be really old by now MichMan Oct 2018 #28
This is fine with me TBH Calculating Oct 2018 #30
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