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In reply to the discussion: Why (baseload) generators are terrified of solar [View all]kristopher
(29,798 posts)120. Because it doesn't happen. Nuclear plants DO NOT shut down coal plants.
All they do is strengthen the economic system that is designed around the coal plant.
You constantly advocate for building more nuclear on the basis of its supposed ability to replace coal. So please tell us how it is they force the owners of the coal plant to give up their place in the energy market.
What I see is that since there is no market mechanism by which nuclear can shut down a coal plant (which last >50 years); and since these nuclear plants DO prevent markets from investing in new zero-fuel cost renewables that CAN shut down coal plants; it is a form of expenditure that does NOTHING but lock in the market position of coal plants.
This is the reality:
Nuclear Revival is Ruining Climate Protection Efforts and Harming Customers, says Watchdog Group
Report shows Southeast utilities plan not to replace coal-fired power, but to add nuclear capacity despite falling demand while jacking up rates and blocking clean energy advances
DURHAM, NC Despite a six-year public relations blitz touting nuclear power as essential for a low carbon future, five southeastern utilities trying to license and build reactors have no intention of using them to replace coal-fired power plants. Instead, because captive state governments have forced financial risks onto customers, the Southeast Five are pursuing costly and unneeded nuclear and natural gas projects while blocking the measures that could retire coal energy efficiency programs along with solar and wind power.
Thats according to watchdog group NC WARN, which today released an unprecedented analysis of utility practices in the Southeast. The Durham-based group also called on the CEOs of the Southeast Five to shift their enormous resources toward clean-energy measures. Such a transition, NC WARN says, would allow the phase-out of coal units, a move that is critically needed to help avert runaway climate disruption. The shift is also essential because of a regional economic triple-threat posed by worsening climate disasters, eye-watering rate hikes caused by massive expansion of generation capacity, and the high risk of nuclear project failures.
For years the nuclear industry has told the public that, despite financial and safety hazards, new nuclear plants are needed so coal plants can be replaced, said the reports author, Jim Warren, during a press conference today. The reality is that the Southeast Five CEOs have no intention of phasing out coal even though accelerating climate changes are already hammering our national, state and local economies, while harming people and our environment. Skyrocketing power bills are an added assault on businesses and the public.
Report shows Southeast utilities plan not to replace coal-fired power, but to add nuclear capacity despite falling demand while jacking up rates and blocking clean energy advances
DURHAM, NC Despite a six-year public relations blitz touting nuclear power as essential for a low carbon future, five southeastern utilities trying to license and build reactors have no intention of using them to replace coal-fired power plants. Instead, because captive state governments have forced financial risks onto customers, the Southeast Five are pursuing costly and unneeded nuclear and natural gas projects while blocking the measures that could retire coal energy efficiency programs along with solar and wind power.
Thats according to watchdog group NC WARN, which today released an unprecedented analysis of utility practices in the Southeast. The Durham-based group also called on the CEOs of the Southeast Five to shift their enormous resources toward clean-energy measures. Such a transition, NC WARN says, would allow the phase-out of coal units, a move that is critically needed to help avert runaway climate disruption. The shift is also essential because of a regional economic triple-threat posed by worsening climate disasters, eye-watering rate hikes caused by massive expansion of generation capacity, and the high risk of nuclear project failures.
For years the nuclear industry has told the public that, despite financial and safety hazards, new nuclear plants are needed so coal plants can be replaced, said the reports author, Jim Warren, during a press conference today. The reality is that the Southeast Five CEOs have no intention of phasing out coal even though accelerating climate changes are already hammering our national, state and local economies, while harming people and our environment. Skyrocketing power bills are an added assault on businesses and the public.
See the report, New Nuclear Power is Ruining Climate Protection Efforts and Harming Customers
http://www.ncwarn.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NCW-NuclearClimate_web.pdf
Listen to the audio from the press conference
http://www.ncwarn.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NCWARN-Conference-Call-10-5-11.mp3
Read Clinging to Dirty Energy in the South a by-the-numbers look from the Institute of Southern Studies
http://www.southernstudies.org/2011/10/institute-index-clinging-to-dirty-energy-in-the-south.html
Percent by which the big Southeast Five utilities -- Duke Energy Carolinas, Florida Power & Light, Georgia Power, Progress Energy and South Carolina Electric & Gas -- plan to reduce their coal generation capacity over the next two decades: 16
Percent by which Duke Energy Carolinas plans to reduce its coal generation during that period: 3.6
Size in megawatts of the new coal-fired power unit that Duke Energy is building at its Cliffside plant in western North Carolina, scheduled to begin operating next year: 825
Tons of carbon dioxide that the Cliffside plant will emit to the atmosphere each year: 6,000,000
Amount by which Progress Energy is planning to increase its reliance on natural gas in the coming years: 25
Percent by which greenhouse gas emissions from drilling for natural gas in shale formations actually exceeds such emissions from coal-fired electricity over time: 20
Average percentage of the Southeast Five's generation capacity expected to come from wind and solar over the next couple of decades: 0.25
That figure for Duke Energy, the Southeast Five's leader in planned wind and solar power: 0.77
That figure for Progress Energy Florida, SCE&G and Georgia Power: 0
Average percentage of the Southeast Five's generation capacity expected to come from energy efficiency over the next couple of decades: 1.9
That figure for SCE&G, the Southeast Five's leader in planned efficiency: 5.09
Percent of Georgia Power's and FP&L's total generation capacity expected to come from energy efficiency: 0
Total amount by which the Southeast Five are planning to increase their generation capacity over the next two decades, in megawatts: 23,188
Percent of that capacity increase represented by planned nuclear reactors: 38
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So Solar PV needs to be PV + Conservation programs + ? to meet/beat AND reduce demand?
patrice
Apr 2012
#3
How does the current explosion in manufacturing capacity disprove the OP's thesis?
kristopher
Apr 2012
#7
How does the current explosion in manufacturing capacity disprove the OP's thesis?
kristopher
Apr 2012
#9
Yes the homeowners and the local communities who are getting that money are pretty happy
kristopher
Apr 2012
#14
So you think people should be forced to live around nuclear plants they believe are unsafe?
kristopher
Apr 2012
#28
See, I think you come off as someone who is more motivated by being anti-nuclear
XemaSab
Apr 2012
#72
Your posts lack specificity, don't blame me for your sloppy communication skills.
kristopher
Apr 2012
#44
Their claim "what is happening now" is not the graphic I see on any given day today.
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#47
No, I am not. If that graphic was representive of overall pricing between 2008 and 2012...
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#61
I'm very sure your self deleted comment to wraith is not relevant to our conversation.
kristopher
Apr 2012
#77
In a discussion specifically about sources of generation being put under pricing pressure
kristopher
Apr 2012
#96
The article does actually weasel around consumer pricing with capitalism verbiage.
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#99
The OP makes claims about "the impact that solar is having on electricity prices in Germany."
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#75
The OP supports the claims it makes as opposed to the strawman you are creating
kristopher
Apr 2012
#78
You're a liar when it comes to accusing me of having a "quest to protect the nuclear industry."
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#82
You consistently take positions that further the agenda of the nuclear industry.
kristopher
Apr 2012
#85
I take a position against misrepresentations in text. I take positions against being fooled.
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#86
What is the actual mechanism by which nuclear power shuts down a coal plant?
kristopher
Apr 2012
#118
So you do not want to shut down coal plants and you want to expand energy consumption.
kristopher
Apr 2012
#124
Remarkable! You accuse me of "not answering" when I've waited 2 days for your reply.
kristopher
Apr 2012
#126
You had your chance to talk about it like a grown-up kris. You chose the way of...
Dead_Parrot
Apr 2012
#130
Just to demonstrate how long this same conversation has been going on... nt
kristopher
Feb 2013
#136