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KY_EnviroGuy

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9. Yep, NOx is just as bad as SOx.
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:29 AM
Mar 2019

This statement from the article does not sound correct to me (or perhaps just poorly written):

Though the price fluctuates, NH3 typically costs about $0.23 a liter ($0.85 per gallon) and has no byproducts other than harmless nitrogen and water. The lack of pollutants is especially appealing in places like Canada, which is now considering a tax on carbon.

Not sure that nitrogen can pass through a combustion engine without being oxidized.

The article also does not discuss the energy required to run Gordon's machine; i.e., electricity!

.....the idea of creating NH3 “with no heritage of oil or coal or anything that’s carbon.”

Unless they use solar or wind to power the ammonia machines, there damn well will be carbon produced.

Without further details, perhaps I'm missing something about his process. However, it's amazing how things relating to science are discussed as if they're magic and avoid revealing the entropy of the entire process end-to-end.

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Interesting Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #1
I thought it was pretty interesting, sounds promising - and something that we won't hear on the news Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 #2
We won't hear about it as you say Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #3
And the environment really ought to be at the forefront of news these days Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 #4
Precisely Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #5
...because it isn't in the interests of watoos Mar 2019 #11
Precisely Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #14
It's a mixed blessing. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #7
Thanks for the information Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #13
While it may reduce carbon emissions there will be a tradeoff. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #6
Thanks for weighing in! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 #8
Yep, NOx is just as bad as SOx. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #9
"Unless they use solar or wind to power the ammonia machines..." jberryhill Mar 2019 #22
And, when questioned on that little detail, they would say.... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #33
according to the article garybeck Mar 2019 #34
What industry would that be? jberryhill Mar 2019 #35
Drive past a Oil Refinery CDerekGo Mar 2019 #26
Yes, and I've worked in a number of them. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #32
Here you go.... jberryhill Mar 2019 #36
Thank you, JBH. A very interesting design. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #38
It would be good on farm use where you don't have to "punch it." 3Hotdogs Mar 2019 #15
I've never understood why farms don't run on algae oil? Finishline42 Mar 2019 #27
True, but... TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #17
Great idea tiptonic Mar 2019 #10
Bingo. watoos Mar 2019 #12
Catch and kill isn't only for the news media mitch96 Mar 2019 #28
How do they manage to do that jberryhill Mar 2019 #37
Ammonia is another energy storage chemical. Energy storage requires a source of primary energy. NNadir Mar 2019 #16
OK, that puts a different spin on it. TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #18
I was waiting for you to comment on this thread. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #19
I see you commented along similar lines above. The biggest issue I see with Haber-Bosch... NNadir Mar 2019 #23
Thanks for the summary exboyfil Mar 2019 #20
Thanks for the emphasis on the 2nd law of thermodynamics - you can't get something for free erronis Mar 2019 #21
Thank you NNadir, I always learn something from your posts. And aside from the refresher c-rational Mar 2019 #24
Excellent rebuttal. defacto7 Mar 2019 #29
My first thought was about safeinOhio Mar 2019 #25
This brings back a funny memory to me. Many years ago justhanginon Mar 2019 #30
Ammonia is commonly used as a refrigerant in the agricultural industry. hunter Mar 2019 #31
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