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hunter

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31. Ammonia is commonly used as a refrigerant in the agricultural industry.

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:13 PM

Mar 2019

People have been killed and maimed in accidental ammonia releases.

72% of all reported chemical accidents in Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, and
Nebraska involve anhydrous ammonia. Up to 96% of them are
preventable through increased operator training, improved procedures,
and better communication of lessons learned.

Accidental ammonia releases cause injuries and death to
employees, emergency response personnel, and people in
surrounding communities.

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https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-05/documents/accident_prevention_ammonia_refrigeration_5-20-15.pdf

California requires training and certification to handle anhydrous ammonia.

There is no benefit in Mr. Gordon's scheme.

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He's Creating A New Fuel Out Of Thin Air -- For 85 Cents Per Gallon [View all] Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 OP

Interesting Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #1

I thought it was pretty interesting, sounds promising - and something that we won't hear on the news Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 #2

We won't hear about it as you say Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #3

And the environment really ought to be at the forefront of news these days Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 #4

Precisely Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #5

...because it isn't in the interests of watoos Mar 2019 #11

Precisely Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #14

It's a mixed blessing. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #7

Thanks for the information Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #13

While it may reduce carbon emissions there will be a tradeoff. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #6

Thanks for weighing in! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 #8

Yep, NOx is just as bad as SOx. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #9

"Unless they use solar or wind to power the ammonia machines..." jberryhill Mar 2019 #22

And, when questioned on that little detail, they would say.... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #33

according to the article garybeck Mar 2019 #34

What industry would that be? jberryhill Mar 2019 #35

Drive past a Oil Refinery CDerekGo Mar 2019 #26

Yes, and I've worked in a number of them. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #32

Here you go.... jberryhill Mar 2019 #36

Thank you, JBH. A very interesting design. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #38

It would be good on farm use where you don't have to "punch it." 3Hotdogs Mar 2019 #15

I've never understood why farms don't run on algae oil? Finishline42 Mar 2019 #27

True, but... TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #17

Great idea tiptonic Mar 2019 #10

Bingo. watoos Mar 2019 #12

Catch and kill isn't only for the news media mitch96 Mar 2019 #28

How do they manage to do that jberryhill Mar 2019 #37

Ammonia is another energy storage chemical. Energy storage requires a source of primary energy. NNadir Mar 2019 #16

OK, that puts a different spin on it. TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #18

I was waiting for you to comment on this thread. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #19

I see you commented along similar lines above. The biggest issue I see with Haber-Bosch... NNadir Mar 2019 #23

Thanks for the summary exboyfil Mar 2019 #20

Thanks for the emphasis on the 2nd law of thermodynamics - you can't get something for free erronis Mar 2019 #21

Thank you NNadir, I always learn something from your posts. And aside from the refresher c-rational Mar 2019 #24

Excellent rebuttal. defacto7 Mar 2019 #29

My first thought was about safeinOhio Mar 2019 #25

This brings back a funny memory to me. Many years ago justhanginon Mar 2019 #30

Ammonia is commonly used as a refrigerant in the agricultural industry. hunter Mar 2019 #31