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kristopher

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8. No, I don't.

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 10:50 PM

Dec 2011

I tend to see things more as events in a stream than static points in time. What I see with China is a recent (2007-2009) awakening of their domestic renewable potential. Prior to that they had bought into the classic IEA/World Bank roadmap to energy for developing nations - fossil fuels and nuclear.

Since the awakening they have been steadily scaling back or slowing down the classic approach and rolling their huge incoming cash flow into both positioning themselves for the coming global market in renewable technology and meeting their own needs with renewables. They tend to plan in 5 year increments so we'll know more as 2015 approaches.

As to hydro I haven't looked too much at that. It is a (limited) large scale resource that they have the right to develop as they see fit. The scale of 3 Gorges is something that troubles me in much the same way that nuclear does, however. The probability of catastrophic failure is low, but the consequences should it happen would be a nation-altering event for them.

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China keen on action in global efforts against climate change [View all] OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 OP

FYI, your formatting on DU3 seems to yield a different result kristopher Dec 2011 #1

Noted OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #2

Thanks, it's great. kristopher Dec 2011 #3

30 years ago who could have imagined... kristopher Dec 2011 #4

You do seem to run hot and cold on China, don't you? FBaggins Dec 2011 #5

No, I don't. kristopher Dec 2011 #8

You seem to have a creative memory. FBaggins Dec 2011 #9

And you are making things up out of whole cloth. kristopher Dec 2011 #11

They plan to have 400 GWe by 2050. joshcryer Dec 2011 #12

When was that "plan" announced? kristopher Dec 2011 #15

It's been on the table for a few years now, I think 2007? In any event... joshcryer Dec 2011 #20

What happens if by 2015 the price of solar generated electricity is far less than nuclear? kristopher Dec 2011 #23

Probably not. joshcryer Dec 2011 #28

What a chauvanistic, arrogant claim. kristopher Dec 2011 #32

Got any data to suggest otherwise? joshcryer Dec 2011 #34

I'm still having a hard time pscot Dec 2011 #6

I'll believe it when I see it Dead_Parrot Dec 2011 #7

30 years ago, who could've imagined 3.0C was actually a "reasonable" target? joshcryer Dec 2011 #10

Your meaning is...? kristopher Dec 2011 #13

The goalposts keep moving? joshcryer Dec 2011 #14

That is possible. kristopher Dec 2011 #16

Retiring plants are being retired for inefficiency, not to phase out coal. They will double coal... joshcryer Dec 2011 #18

How about some hard numbers from a reputable source? kristopher Dec 2011 #21

Here: joshcryer Dec 2011 #22

I'm looking for hard data to tell you and me what is happening in China kristopher Dec 2011 #24

WEO supports my claim. Let's see support for your claims. joshcryer Dec 2011 #26

BTW, I knew you'd shit on the sources rather than refute them. joshcryer Dec 2011 #27

What was I supposed to refute? kristopher Dec 2011 #31

You are claiming I am wrong or that my statements aren't supported. joshcryer Dec 2011 #33

It appears they have closed 71 GWe of old coal-fired plants since 2006 NickB79 Dec 2011 #25

Thanks but an associated note of caution kristopher Dec 2011 #29

Let's see your sources, please. joshcryer Dec 2011 #30

Thanks for the warning. I found the info through Google, so I wasn't familiar with the source. nt NickB79 Dec 2011 #35

The source they use is EIA, which has historically underestimated China. joshcryer Dec 2011 #37

No 100% guarantee... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #17

Yes, the externalized costs of coal will be solved with geoengineering. joshcryer Dec 2011 #19

Russian fossil exports to China WEO 2011: joshcryer Dec 2011 #36