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In reply to the discussion: Table - German power [View all]FBaggins
(28,706 posts)You attempting to derail the topic of the OP so that you can "run"... followed by me calling you on the deception... is really not the same thing as running.
And we're still waiting for the explanation of how nuclear plants ultimately shut down coal plants.
You imagine that you're "waiting", but the answer was clear. You would like to pretend that they can't shift generation away from coal, but you can't ignore the fact that they have on many occasions and that we clearly see here that coal clearly replaces nuclear.
We do, however, know that nuclear plants BLOCK the expansion of the one path that DOES shut down coal plants -
Patently ridiculous. Renewables don't fill the same slot in the generation portfolio that hydro/nuclear/coal/gas fill. Those baseload options compete with each other, not with renewables... until you drink enough coolaid to imagine that renewables alone can get you 100% of generation. Then you're forced to think of anything other than renewables as blocking what should really be built.
Three decades ago, Belgium burned 48 trillion pounds of coal per year. Theyve done away with over 90% of that. Nuclear power produces over half of their electricity
but I suppose its just a coincidence, right?
Prior to the Messmer Plan, France burned mostly oil and coal for power generation
today nuclear power equals almost their entire demand. But nuclear power can't shut down those older plants, right?
In 1980 Hungary produced almost all of its electricity with coal, oil and gas
today about 45% comes from nuclear power and the amount of coal/oil burned (for power) has fallen by half.
Switzerland produced almost all of their electricity with coal until about the 50s... and now it's almost entirely hydro/nuclear.
Or how about South Korea? Sweden?
These are hardly the only examples. But you see a specific power company building a nuclear plant in a rapidly expanding power market with a rapidly growing population and you want to pretend that this proves that reactors never shut down coal generation? That it's really the power company just trying to con people into using more of their product that would never actually be needed if the reactors weren't built.
Laughable.