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Bearware

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15. I suspect there are a number of advanced prototype molten reactors being built or in operation
Mon Sep 23, 2019, 06:34 PM
Sep 2019

At https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/molten-salt-reactors.aspx they mention a number of countries. Apparently there is a lot of support in China because the head of their molten salt program is the son of the previous Chinese Premier. Some years back they came to ORNL and requested copies of the Molten Salt Reactor Experiment that was shut down in 1970. We gave them the information without batting an eye.

Why? I like an analogy to the US space program. At huge cost we made it to the moon and then stopped to wait for the "reuseable" Space Shuttle. The shuttle was an advance in reuse-ability but it cost huge amounts to prepare for another flight and could only reach low earth orbit. It also had an immense bureaucracy with lots of political and corporate influence. The Apollo program lost some astronauts in a public way on the launch pad and had some close calls. The shuttle program had two very public accidents that killed their crews one of whom was a public school teacher. After the end of the Shuttle program we needed Russian assistance to get our astronauts back into orbit. We basically stopped doing human space exploration and left it to robots.

Along comes a crazy smart guy with some serious money who has a plan for space exploration that politics and bureaucracy have little control of. He goes from creating a rocket company 2002 using existing know how and successfully makes a reuseable rocket landing in 13 years. There are a fair number of start-up companies pushing various Molten Salt Reactor designs. I suspect designing and building
a prototype will be far easier than getting them certified. The newer designs incorporate huge improvements in safety over the older designs but satisfying the bureaucracy is another matter.

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Why not nuclear power? [View all] question everything Sep 2019 OP
The biggest problem with it is that it creates a lot of nuclear waste sandensea Sep 2019 #1
Most "nuclear waste" is potential fuel for coming generations of Molten Salt Fast Reactors MSFR's). Bearware Sep 2019 #9
Your words to God's ear sandensea Sep 2019 #10
LOL!!!111 jpak Sep 2019 #31
Nuclear + climate change a bigger mess n/t Lulu KC Sep 2019 #2
There is lots of room for R&D in the energy sector and hopefully these issues can be resolved walkingman Sep 2019 #3
Thorium reactors could be the answer - Th is much more abundant The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #4
Perhaps this is something that the next administration can tackle question everything Sep 2019 #7
Economics - they have gotten very expensive, so expensive that even ones progree Sep 2019 #5
It can be a mistake to assume current costs to make something apply directly to disruptive tech Bearware Sep 2019 #11
So why hasn't any nuclear-capable country built any? progree Sep 2019 #12
I suspect there are a number of advanced prototype molten reactors being built or in operation Bearware Sep 2019 #15
Problems with nuclear plants? Finishline42 Sep 2019 #17
Problems with other energy plants Bearware Sep 2019 #21
Wind and solar have a overwhelming advantage Finishline42 Sep 2019 #28
You do know of utility scale batteries - don't you? jpak Sep 2019 #32
How many GigaWatt-Days or Hours of power are utility scale batteries up to? Bearware Sep 2019 #34
The "reusable rocket" of nuclear power would be molten metal nuclear fuels, not molten salts. hunter Sep 2019 #19
I would bet on some form(s) of more primitive molten salt "reusable rockets" before MMNF's Bearware Sep 2019 #22
I'm rarely patient enough for youtube videos... hunter Sep 2019 #23
Thanks for finding the Powerpoint Bearware Sep 2019 #29
The chemistry seems the more difficult aspect of this design. hunter Sep 2019 #33
Why the massive cooling is needed progree Sep 2019 #13
Sorry, you are correct I poorly stated the reasons for massive containment buildings. Bearware Sep 2019 #16
How long will nuclear power take ? John ONeill Aug 2021 #35
There's no safe storage of nuclear waste. nt in2herbs Sep 2019 #6
There's no safe storage of fossil fuel waste. hunter Sep 2019 #8
My objection applies to nuclear power or any other low-carbon source The_jackalope Sep 2019 #14
The only way to quit fossil fuels is to quit fossil fuels. hunter Sep 2019 #20
Newer reactors could produce fuels from the air or water Bearware Sep 2019 #25
Just in: another cost increase for Hinkley Point C in the U.K., now 8,370 $/KW progree Sep 2019 #18
Economic arguments are silly. hunter Sep 2019 #24
True. But unfortunately the deciders have so far decided differently -- look at all the nuke plants progree Sep 2019 #27
Nuclear power must be subjected to the same moral critiques as human-induced climate change -- RockRaven Sep 2019 #26
Newer safer design molten salt fast reactors can burn up existing and future "nuclear waste". Bearware Sep 2019 #30
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