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Bearware

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16. Sorry, you are correct I poorly stated the reasons for massive containment buildings.
Mon Sep 23, 2019, 11:42 PM
Sep 2019

In PWR (pressurized water reactor) the size and strength of the containment buildings has to be able to handle steam explosions, hydrogen explosions and potential radiation leaks. Molten Salt Reactors do not need to have solid fuel or water cooling of the core so steam or hydrogen explosions do not happen in the core. Radiation leaks are possible but would not be spread by explosions and would be mostly contained chemically in the molten salt which would quickly freeze outside of the reactor.

My favorite MSFR (Molten Salt Fast Reactor) design uses sodium chloride (NaCl) molten salt with an outlet temperature of 600 C (1111 F) and inlet of 500 C (900 F). It uses standard nuclear certified stainless steel piping which limits the temperature range they can use. In the future when certified higher temperature piping is available this will probably increase. This design does not need the large pressure differential in some existing reactors as water is not used as a coolant for the reactor (molten salt is) and non-radioactive molten salt from a heat exchanger is sent to produce steam for a Rankine cycle or later potentially CO2 for a Brayton cycle when it is shown to be reliable.

A PWR needs a strong containment for a large-break LOCA (Loss of Coolant). The MSFR above uses molten salt as a coolant and fuel carrier. A large break in a line would spill molten salt on the floor which would quickly solidify. If there was a large break in a fuel line the reactor would automatically shutdown due to loss of criticality. The reactor is always barely critical. If the reactor overheats the fuel is automatically drained into tanks that will not support criticality and stop the reactions even if all power is lost. The drain tanks can air cool without problems.

The reactor design in question has a conservative design to make it able to be certified today with existing certified materials. In the future with better materials it could go to higher temperatures and potentially use dry cooling towers.

The reactor vessel itself is about 4 meters in diameter and will fit in a standard freight truck trailer for transport on regular highways.

I do not have a background in nuclear but am really impressed with the above design because it has clearly been thought out by a group with long time experience in nuclear energy. Instead of reaching for maximum numbers they are working with what will likely get their reactor certified now and maintain the substantial advantages of molten salt fuel and molten salt coolant. As more advanced materials become certified they can take advantage of many of them without major changes.

Here are two video's on the MSFR I am talking about above. Notice the evolution in the design from one video to the next. Since you were in the Navy you might have met the speaker.




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Why not nuclear power? [View all] question everything Sep 2019 OP
The biggest problem with it is that it creates a lot of nuclear waste sandensea Sep 2019 #1
Most "nuclear waste" is potential fuel for coming generations of Molten Salt Fast Reactors MSFR's). Bearware Sep 2019 #9
Your words to God's ear sandensea Sep 2019 #10
LOL!!!111 jpak Sep 2019 #31
Nuclear + climate change a bigger mess n/t Lulu KC Sep 2019 #2
There is lots of room for R&D in the energy sector and hopefully these issues can be resolved walkingman Sep 2019 #3
Thorium reactors could be the answer - Th is much more abundant The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #4
Perhaps this is something that the next administration can tackle question everything Sep 2019 #7
Economics - they have gotten very expensive, so expensive that even ones progree Sep 2019 #5
It can be a mistake to assume current costs to make something apply directly to disruptive tech Bearware Sep 2019 #11
So why hasn't any nuclear-capable country built any? progree Sep 2019 #12
I suspect there are a number of advanced prototype molten reactors being built or in operation Bearware Sep 2019 #15
Problems with nuclear plants? Finishline42 Sep 2019 #17
Problems with other energy plants Bearware Sep 2019 #21
Wind and solar have a overwhelming advantage Finishline42 Sep 2019 #28
You do know of utility scale batteries - don't you? jpak Sep 2019 #32
How many GigaWatt-Days or Hours of power are utility scale batteries up to? Bearware Sep 2019 #34
The "reusable rocket" of nuclear power would be molten metal nuclear fuels, not molten salts. hunter Sep 2019 #19
I would bet on some form(s) of more primitive molten salt "reusable rockets" before MMNF's Bearware Sep 2019 #22
I'm rarely patient enough for youtube videos... hunter Sep 2019 #23
Thanks for finding the Powerpoint Bearware Sep 2019 #29
The chemistry seems the more difficult aspect of this design. hunter Sep 2019 #33
Why the massive cooling is needed progree Sep 2019 #13
Sorry, you are correct I poorly stated the reasons for massive containment buildings. Bearware Sep 2019 #16
How long will nuclear power take ? John ONeill Aug 2021 #35
There's no safe storage of nuclear waste. nt in2herbs Sep 2019 #6
There's no safe storage of fossil fuel waste. hunter Sep 2019 #8
My objection applies to nuclear power or any other low-carbon source The_jackalope Sep 2019 #14
The only way to quit fossil fuels is to quit fossil fuels. hunter Sep 2019 #20
Newer reactors could produce fuels from the air or water Bearware Sep 2019 #25
Just in: another cost increase for Hinkley Point C in the U.K., now 8,370 $/KW progree Sep 2019 #18
Economic arguments are silly. hunter Sep 2019 #24
True. But unfortunately the deciders have so far decided differently -- look at all the nuke plants progree Sep 2019 #27
Nuclear power must be subjected to the same moral critiques as human-induced climate change -- RockRaven Sep 2019 #26
Newer safer design molten salt fast reactors can burn up existing and future "nuclear waste". Bearware Sep 2019 #30
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