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Miguelito Loveless

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10. I am already seeing my Twitter feed fill up
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:53 PM
Apr 2020

with the usual suspects now bringing up zombie lies that we have spent the last five years killing. EVs pollute more than gas cars (they don't). Solar and wind are bad for the environment, and worse than coal (they aren't). We will never replace fossil fuel plants with renewables (we are). Batteries can never scale up or be cheap enough (they are and will be), etc, etc, etc. All are now citing Moore's movie as proof.

So, yes, we are now having to re-fight the same battles, meaning that we will waste more time, time that we do NOT have. For Michael Moore to lend legitimacy to a "documentary" so full of misinformation, errors, and factual distortions, is heartbreaking.

And yes, the first things to do is use less, and conserve, and it was what I work with people to do who cannot afford solar. I have helped people trim their power bill 25% by just spending a few hundred dollars. When I first started looking at solar 20 years ago, it was about $15 per watt installed. These days it goes for around $2.75 a watt, in a few years it will fall below $2. EVs with decent range that were $100K or more a decade ago, are now to be had for around $35K. I remember when LED bulbs were $40 a pop.

Progress was being made, and now that progress will slowed by people who will take this movie as gospel.

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First, MM is NOT in it. 2nd, everyone should watch this 2naSalit Apr 2020 #1
It is a really important documentary. n/t MuseRider Apr 2020 #2
This documentary is fodder for climate deniers, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #4
I disagree. MuseRider Apr 2020 #5
I am already seeing my Twitter feed fill up Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #10
While it makes valid points about biomass Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #3
Haven't seen the movie yet but about putting solar PV on a house Finishline42 Apr 2020 #7
I have been a green energy advocate Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #8
Never understood the efficiency angle on solar PV Finishline42 Apr 2020 #9
I have repeatedly explained to folks Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #11
Link to the film: muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #6
And a link to a review of the film Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #12
That "8%" quote comes from the section about the launch of the Chevy Volt muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #13
The panels he was showing off were about twice the size Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #15
Pretty good takedown on the whole thing at Climate Crocks - key point - old footage, old information hatrack Apr 2020 #14
And that's the good and bad about wind and solar Finishline42 Apr 2020 #16
Solar power, wind power, and electric cars are mere greenwashing... hunter Apr 2020 #17
Rather than becoming a huckster for solar and wind power schemes Finishline42 Apr 2020 #18
"Break even on your investment..." is part of the philosophy that is killing the planet. hunter Apr 2020 #19
To your point Hunter Finishline42 Apr 2020 #23
It may be that some economist in Texas realized that wind power commits the state to natural gas... hunter Apr 2020 #24
Texas and wind has to more with ERCOT Finishline42 Apr 2020 #27
Nope, not going to let you get away with that progree Apr 2020 #28
Thanks for what you are doing to reduce your carbon footprint, and for not letting the perfect be progree Apr 2020 #21
It seems to me Finishline42 Apr 2020 #22
In this case the perfect is not the enemy of the better. hunter Apr 2020 #25
Well, people aren't going to quit using electricity. That's just the reality of the situation. progree Apr 2020 #26
RE: Carbon cycle of nuclear Finishline42 Apr 2020 #29
A society that embraces nuclear power has no need for wind turbines. hunter Apr 2020 #31
Sorry, but wind is a lot cheaper to build, without the enormous cost overrruns. The "fuel" is free progree Apr 2020 #32
Windmills don't need a river to heat up either Finishline42 Apr 2020 #33
And sadly, that's when customer electrical demand is the highest - on hot summer days progree Apr 2020 #34
It's been available online since last week on YouTube: Rhiannon12866 Apr 2020 #20
Important messages marred by bad arguments caraher Apr 2020 #30
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