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14. Pretty good takedown on the whole thing at Climate Crocks - key point - old footage, old information
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 09:06 AM
Apr 2020

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It is clear that Gibbs has been trying to make this documentary for a long, long time. “He is currently working on a film about the state of the planet and the fate of humanity”, read his bio, in 2012. It is clear, digging into these early posts, that he very passionately loathes the burning of trees to generate energy – a wildly controversial and genuinely problematic thing, for sure. But as early as 2010, Gibbs was posting HuffPost blogs extending that into wind and solar, too.

This one, for instance, repeats a bog-standard list of anti-wind and anti-solar memes that, back in 2010, were fashionable among climate deniers. The ‘wind and solar are too intermittent’ meme, for instance, is a great hallmark of that era. “How much variable energy can a grid accept? Around ten percent, twenty percent tops it appears”, he wrote back then. I’d include examples of grids with higher percentages operating without a hitch today, but it feels almost cruel.

The extreme oldness of this documentary stands out. In one instance, he tours a solar farm in Lansing, Michigan, in which a bemused official states that a large farm can only power ten homes in a year. It is the Cedar Street Solar Array, a 150 panel 824 kilowatt (that’s small) farm in downtown Lansing. Guess when that bad boy was built? 2008. Twelve years ago – an absolute eternity, in solar development years.

As PV Magazine writes, “The film reports on a solar installation in Michigan with PV panels rated at “just under 8 percent” conversion efficiency. It’s difficult to identify the brand of panel in the film (Abound?) — but that efficiency is from another solar era”. Efficiency gains in solar have been so rapid that by leaving the dates off his footage he is very actively deceiving the audience. The site generates 64-64 MWh a year, according to the owner – a more recent installation in the same area generates around 436. The footage really is from another era. It’s like doing a documentary on the uselessness of mobile phones but only examining the Motorola Ultrasleek.

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In a red flag for any veteran of the wind farm debate, Gibbs then uses footage of a collection of old wind turbines – rusted, gross and horrible – to illustrate the short life and lasting damage of these huge spiky bastards.

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If you’re familiar with the network of anti-wind farm groups, you’ll recognise that they’re old machines from South Point on Big Island, Hawaii. They were removedin 2012, by the owner of the facility. All that is left now are small hexagonal pads on farmland used by the cattle that roam it.

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https://climatecrocks.com/2020/04/25/planet-of-the-stupid/#more-59726

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First, MM is NOT in it. 2nd, everyone should watch this 2naSalit Apr 2020 #1
It is a really important documentary. n/t MuseRider Apr 2020 #2
This documentary is fodder for climate deniers, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #4
I disagree. MuseRider Apr 2020 #5
I am already seeing my Twitter feed fill up Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #10
While it makes valid points about biomass Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #3
Haven't seen the movie yet but about putting solar PV on a house Finishline42 Apr 2020 #7
I have been a green energy advocate Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #8
Never understood the efficiency angle on solar PV Finishline42 Apr 2020 #9
I have repeatedly explained to folks Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #11
Link to the film: muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #6
And a link to a review of the film Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #12
That "8%" quote comes from the section about the launch of the Chevy Volt muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #13
The panels he was showing off were about twice the size Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #15
Pretty good takedown on the whole thing at Climate Crocks - key point - old footage, old information hatrack Apr 2020 #14
And that's the good and bad about wind and solar Finishline42 Apr 2020 #16
Solar power, wind power, and electric cars are mere greenwashing... hunter Apr 2020 #17
Rather than becoming a huckster for solar and wind power schemes Finishline42 Apr 2020 #18
"Break even on your investment..." is part of the philosophy that is killing the planet. hunter Apr 2020 #19
To your point Hunter Finishline42 Apr 2020 #23
It may be that some economist in Texas realized that wind power commits the state to natural gas... hunter Apr 2020 #24
Texas and wind has to more with ERCOT Finishline42 Apr 2020 #27
Nope, not going to let you get away with that progree Apr 2020 #28
Thanks for what you are doing to reduce your carbon footprint, and for not letting the perfect be progree Apr 2020 #21
It seems to me Finishline42 Apr 2020 #22
In this case the perfect is not the enemy of the better. hunter Apr 2020 #25
Well, people aren't going to quit using electricity. That's just the reality of the situation. progree Apr 2020 #26
RE: Carbon cycle of nuclear Finishline42 Apr 2020 #29
A society that embraces nuclear power has no need for wind turbines. hunter Apr 2020 #31
Sorry, but wind is a lot cheaper to build, without the enormous cost overrruns. The "fuel" is free progree Apr 2020 #32
Windmills don't need a river to heat up either Finishline42 Apr 2020 #33
And sadly, that's when customer electrical demand is the highest - on hot summer days progree Apr 2020 #34
It's been available online since last week on YouTube: Rhiannon12866 Apr 2020 #20
Important messages marred by bad arguments caraher Apr 2020 #30
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