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Miguelito Loveless

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15. The panels he was showing off were about twice the size

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 27, 2020, 09:11 AM

Apr 2020

of current panels. The panels I installed on my roof as part of my final upgrade (I broke down my install into three projects over 5 years) were about half the size of the ones in Lansing. In the span of 5 years, my first panels were 275 watts, the second set were 315 watts, and the final set were 350 watts. Efficiency went from 17% to 19%, and power output improved just under 30%, while cost declined from $4.19 per watt installed, to $2.55 per watt installed. Currently, you can pick up 400-415 watt panels for a slightly higher price. The major cost now is installation.

Improvements in materials like perovskite, and efficiencies from new inverter designs and bifacial solar panels, continue to raise efficiency and lower cost.

Built today, the Lansing plant would probably produce triple the power, in half the area, at 25% the cost.

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This documentary is fodder for climate deniers, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #4

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Haven't seen the movie yet but about putting solar PV on a house Finishline42 Apr 2020 #7

I have been a green energy advocate Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #8

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Link to the film: muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #6

And a link to a review of the film Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #12

That "8%" quote comes from the section about the launch of the Chevy Volt muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #13

The panels he was showing off were about twice the size Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #15

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And that's the good and bad about wind and solar Finishline42 Apr 2020 #16

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"Break even on your investment..." is part of the philosophy that is killing the planet. hunter Apr 2020 #19

To your point Hunter Finishline42 Apr 2020 #23

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