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hunter

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17. Solar power, wind power, and electric cars are mere greenwashing...

Mon Apr 27, 2020, 02:23 PM

Apr 2020

... in a high energy industrial consumer economy that is ultimately unsustainable.

A society powered by wind, solar, and other "renewable" energy would look nothing like the society many affluent people now enjoy.

Solar and wind energy will not magically eliminate fossil fuels with no changes in our standard of living.

Biofuels are an abomination. Agriculture is an incredibly destructive industry.

Quitting fossil fuels is like quitting smoking. We just have to do it.

Rather than becoming a huckster for solar and wind power schemes I think it's more important to promote birth control, realistic sex education, and the empowerment of women.

In general our environmental footprints would also be smaller if we reduced the amount of factory farm meat and dairy products we consume.

It's hypocritical to oppose nuclear power while enjoying the benefits of a fossil fueled highly industrialized society.

Having solar panels on one's roof, and a Tesla in the driveway signifies wealth, but not enlightenment.

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PLANET OF THE HUMANS' STREAMING: HOW TO WATCH THE MICHAEL MOORE-PRODUCED DOCUMENTARY ONLINE FOR FREE [View all] douglas9 Apr 2020 OP

First, MM is NOT in it. 2nd, everyone should watch this 2naSalit Apr 2020 #1

It is a really important documentary. n/t MuseRider Apr 2020 #2

This documentary is fodder for climate deniers, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #4

I disagree. MuseRider Apr 2020 #5

I am already seeing my Twitter feed fill up Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #10

While it makes valid points about biomass Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #3

Haven't seen the movie yet but about putting solar PV on a house Finishline42 Apr 2020 #7

I have been a green energy advocate Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #8

Never understood the efficiency angle on solar PV Finishline42 Apr 2020 #9

I have repeatedly explained to folks Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #11

Link to the film: muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #6

And a link to a review of the film Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #12

That "8%" quote comes from the section about the launch of the Chevy Volt muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #13

The panels he was showing off were about twice the size Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #15

Pretty good takedown on the whole thing at Climate Crocks - key point - old footage, old information hatrack Apr 2020 #14

And that's the good and bad about wind and solar Finishline42 Apr 2020 #16

Solar power, wind power, and electric cars are mere greenwashing... hunter Apr 2020 #17

Rather than becoming a huckster for solar and wind power schemes Finishline42 Apr 2020 #18

"Break even on your investment..." is part of the philosophy that is killing the planet. hunter Apr 2020 #19

To your point Hunter Finishline42 Apr 2020 #23

It may be that some economist in Texas realized that wind power commits the state to natural gas... hunter Apr 2020 #24

Texas and wind has to more with ERCOT Finishline42 Apr 2020 #27

Nope, not going to let you get away with that progree Apr 2020 #28

Thanks for what you are doing to reduce your carbon footprint, and for not letting the perfect be progree Apr 2020 #21

It seems to me Finishline42 Apr 2020 #22

In this case the perfect is not the enemy of the better. hunter Apr 2020 #25

Well, people aren't going to quit using electricity. That's just the reality of the situation. progree Apr 2020 #26

RE: Carbon cycle of nuclear Finishline42 Apr 2020 #29

A society that embraces nuclear power has no need for wind turbines. hunter Apr 2020 #31

Sorry, but wind is a lot cheaper to build, without the enormous cost overrruns. The "fuel" is free progree Apr 2020 #32

Windmills don't need a river to heat up either Finishline42 Apr 2020 #33

And sadly, that's when customer electrical demand is the highest - on hot summer days progree Apr 2020 #34

It's been available online since last week on YouTube: Rhiannon12866 Apr 2020 #20

Important messages marred by bad arguments caraher Apr 2020 #30