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hunter

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19. "Break even on your investment..." is part of the philosophy that is killing the planet.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:42 PM
Apr 2020

This thing we now call economic "productivity" isn't productivity at all. It is in fact a direct measure of the damage we are doing to the earth's natural environment and our own human spirit.

All the public schools in my community are solar powered... whenever the sun is shining. One of our local discount supermarkets has solar panels built over the parking lot which is very nice when I want to park in the shade. This kind of solar doesn't bother me much.

But I'm extremely hostile toward solar and wind power projects built on previously undisturbed land. I look upon large scale wind energy projects with disgust. To me these only represent a commitment to natural gas power plants which are supposedly "back up" power to wind and solar. Unfortunately the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine most of the time. Gas power plants end up as the primary power source.

There is enough natural gas in the ground to destroy earth's natural environment as we know it, even when gas is used merely for "back-up" power.

I would rather concentrate my efforts building walkable community housing that has a very small environmental footprint, preferably in recycled structures. Car free urban lifestyles generally have the smallest environmental footprint. That's just the reality we have to accept as the human population approaches ten billion.

Wind turbines and solar panels powering mini-ranch McMansions and Tesla automobiles are not going to save the world even if the owners of such are "breaking even" on their investments.

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First, MM is NOT in it. 2nd, everyone should watch this 2naSalit Apr 2020 #1
It is a really important documentary. n/t MuseRider Apr 2020 #2
This documentary is fodder for climate deniers, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #4
I disagree. MuseRider Apr 2020 #5
I am already seeing my Twitter feed fill up Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #10
While it makes valid points about biomass Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #3
Haven't seen the movie yet but about putting solar PV on a house Finishline42 Apr 2020 #7
I have been a green energy advocate Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #8
Never understood the efficiency angle on solar PV Finishline42 Apr 2020 #9
I have repeatedly explained to folks Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #11
Link to the film: muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #6
And a link to a review of the film Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #12
That "8%" quote comes from the section about the launch of the Chevy Volt muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #13
The panels he was showing off were about twice the size Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #15
Pretty good takedown on the whole thing at Climate Crocks - key point - old footage, old information hatrack Apr 2020 #14
And that's the good and bad about wind and solar Finishline42 Apr 2020 #16
Solar power, wind power, and electric cars are mere greenwashing... hunter Apr 2020 #17
Rather than becoming a huckster for solar and wind power schemes Finishline42 Apr 2020 #18
"Break even on your investment..." is part of the philosophy that is killing the planet. hunter Apr 2020 #19
To your point Hunter Finishline42 Apr 2020 #23
It may be that some economist in Texas realized that wind power commits the state to natural gas... hunter Apr 2020 #24
Texas and wind has to more with ERCOT Finishline42 Apr 2020 #27
Nope, not going to let you get away with that progree Apr 2020 #28
Thanks for what you are doing to reduce your carbon footprint, and for not letting the perfect be progree Apr 2020 #21
It seems to me Finishline42 Apr 2020 #22
In this case the perfect is not the enemy of the better. hunter Apr 2020 #25
Well, people aren't going to quit using electricity. That's just the reality of the situation. progree Apr 2020 #26
RE: Carbon cycle of nuclear Finishline42 Apr 2020 #29
A society that embraces nuclear power has no need for wind turbines. hunter Apr 2020 #31
Sorry, but wind is a lot cheaper to build, without the enormous cost overrruns. The "fuel" is free progree Apr 2020 #32
Windmills don't need a river to heat up either Finishline42 Apr 2020 #33
And sadly, that's when customer electrical demand is the highest - on hot summer days progree Apr 2020 #34
It's been available online since last week on YouTube: Rhiannon12866 Apr 2020 #20
Important messages marred by bad arguments caraher Apr 2020 #30
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