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ProgressiveProfessor

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18. Because I do not toe his line WRT to renewal energy and offer instead a more rational approach
Fri May 4, 2012, 08:30 PM
May 2012

I am pro solar and other renewable energy sources, but in a reasonable and honest way. The hype in the renewable energy area is tremendous, even among those who claim to be professional municipal planners. We need to look at what can be done reasonably and practically. That is what I advocate and at times it infuriates the true believers. Not a week goes by without some new PR release being breathlessly posted here without critical review or thought. Someone has to stand up for what is rational.

kristopher has raised the question: Why are not household generation systems paid at the same rate that commerical plants are for power during peak hours. The knee jerk answer is that they should. The thoughtful answer is probably not.

Those with small independent PV installations with surplus power are generally well off enough to afford a substantive upfront investment. The rate scheme he advocates would pay them more in the aggregate than they get today. That money would have to come from those without PV systems, i.e.: those less well off or otherwise unable to do PV.

Furthermore such a scheme to be fair would have to bill all users at peak/off peak rates. That would require enhancements to the meters beyond those currently being installed, another cost passed on to everyone.

Oddly enough, he and I share the same long term vision. The centralized system will change over time to be more distributed based more and more on renewables. The argument is timeline and requirements.

Some background on my solar plant: I live out in the Socal desert in prime solar country. I am out on acreage, and the place came with a small array that I have expanded. By watching the secondary market for used hardware, I have maxed out my installation to what utility will allow due to line size.

Moving to renewable power is critical. However it has to be done in a way that does not disrupt availability nor unduly burden those who cannot afford to have their own generation capacity. It will take time to be done responsibly and when we get there, things will be dramatically different than what they are today.

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What is their objection? BlueToTheBone May 2012 #1
Competition jpak May 2012 #2
With a distributed renewable grid... kristopher May 2012 #31
Over simplified puff piece ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #3
The issue is a public policy vote by the California Public Utilities Commission kristopher May 2012 #4
Actually I am explaining the facts as they exists today in California ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #5
The article is in no sense a "puff piece" kristopher May 2012 #6
Your usual retreat to ad hominems... ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #7
Bullshit. kristopher May 2012 #8
The only bullshit here is from your sacred cows... ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #9
Your diversion is noted but I'm still waiting... kristopher May 2012 #10
I answered your questions, how about answering mine ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #13
Bullshit, that isn't an answer any more than your earlier comments addressed the OP. kristopher May 2012 #14
You sacred cow is gored...I think it needs another injection of hyperbole... ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #19
Poor "Progressive Professor"... kristopher May 2012 #24
dude just stop backwoodsbob May 2012 #29
feel free to explain in detail how that is so... kristopher May 2012 #30
. XemaSab May 2012 #28
How can you call a person who went solar anti-solar? Yo_Mama May 2012 #11
No, the "Professor's" points are not good. kristopher May 2012 #12
Actually they are excellent ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #15
Horsehocky - you are standing directly in corporate utility's shoes. kristopher May 2012 #16
Take some pics of your set-up and post them. Ikonoklast May 2012 #17
This is the internet. kristopher May 2012 #23
I have a pretty good idea as to where that poster is coming from. Ikonoklast May 2012 #26
That's a lot more efficient way of making the same point. kristopher May 2012 #27
Sort of like your solar setup is totally unsubstantiated? XemaSab May 2012 #25
Because I do not toe his line WRT to renewal energy and offer instead a more rational approach ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #18
More horsehocky. kristopher May 2012 #20
It does illustrate the level of ridiculousness that has blighted DU lately, no? NickB79 May 2012 #21
Really? kristopher May 2012 #22
If you are in California you might want to sign their petition kristopher May 2012 #32
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