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In reply to the discussion: (TED Talk) Amory Lovins: A 50-year plan for energy [View all]GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)35. Let's follow your example through
- You switch all your lights to LEDs, and save a few bucks.
- You decide not to buy more lighting (that would be rebound, don't wanna do that), so you donate it to DU.
- DU takes your new donation and uses it to pay for part of a server expansion.
- The new server purchase is part of the business plan at a server company in South Korea.
- The server company uses the money from that server purchase to pay part of their workers' wages.
- The workers take their wages and buy gas for their cars and food for their tables.
- They burn the gas and eat the food
It's diffused out, and abstracted through the use of money, but you can't deny that your efficiency let someone else, somewhere else, consume a little bit more. And a whole lot of little bits add up to a whole lot.
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In other words you are going strictly by your own evaluation of the evidence
kristopher
May 2012
#55
Every communication is semantically loaded - at least this one was obvious.
GliderGuider
May 2012
#18
Or, perhaps, you dismiss evidence out-of-hand which does not confirm your beliefs
OKIsItJustMe
May 2012
#27
Your "rebuttal" of Lovins etal leaves the realm of energy efficiency and rebound ...
kristopher
May 2012
#44
That doesn’t follow—(i.e. It's all in where you draw the system boundaries.)
OKIsItJustMe
May 2012
#34
The question is, do “whole lot of little bits add up to” more than the initial savings?
OKIsItJustMe
May 2012
#37
I guess my difficulty is that I don't see further economic productivity as "good".
GliderGuider
May 2012
#57
Having fuel efficient cars in Europe has done nothing to decrease global oil use
GliderGuider
May 2012
#43
I call it a logical deduction. You may call it a hunch if it makes you feel better.
GliderGuider
May 2012
#53